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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jan 17, 2021.

  1. Van

    Van Well-Known Member
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    To claim Jesus could not have sinned is to dishonor Christ's life of obedience.
     
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    Van, your "theology" gets worse! :eek:
     
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    After a 4th thread on this topic, I suggest we next begin a thread debating how many angels can stand on the head of a needle.
     
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    It is an important subject, which some on here not able to grasp. I have made some, what I believe to be, important points. No one is forced to read or comment. If you feel there is too much on this subject, then please don't trouble yourself reading it.
     
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    Who says it is impossible for a human to achieve?
    Jesus was as human as any one of us and he did it.
    Jesus did struggle with temptation.
    He overcame it.
    Yes. the Bible suggests as much. It also repeatedly informs us that his miracles were wrought through that same Holy Spirit.
    Sure it can. the Bible is pretty clear that we have that same Holy Spirit working in us, this renders us without excuse when we give in to sin.
    Where does the Bible say that it is impossible?
    Such teaching is implied all over the Bible.
    It doesn't comport with your Systematic Theology perhaps, but it's all over the Bible itself.
    Except the Bible teaches otherwise
    That he is
    That is a perfectly good explanation of certain understandings of systematized Theology.
    It is not Bible teaching, it's Theological dogma........Even if it is ultimately correct, it is Theological dogma, not Bible teaching.
     
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    [/QUOTE]

    Jesus Christ while on earth was 100 % God and 100 % Man. He was not only a human. Also His human nature was 100%sinless and incapable of giving into temptation. He did not struggle with sin at all
     
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    Better, perhaps to say "truly" God and "truly" man, there's a reason the confessions don't express it in mathematical terms.
    The Bible teaches absolutely no such thing, it doesn't even really speak of "natures" in the sense that Theologians traditionally, and you now are using the term. The Bible itself, however, suggests quite strongly that Christ was quite capable of giving in to temptation. Certain Theological views say otherwise in order to remain internally logically consistent. But the Biblical evidence is quite strong that he very well was capable of it even though he did not.
     
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    How Did Jesus Do It?

    By the power of the Word of God before He was baptized, and by the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit and the Word of God after He was baptized.
     
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    As I specified, "after a 4th thread on this topic". It is profitable to point out when something becomes unprofitable.
     
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    Strong Bible evidence, really? Give one such example
     
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    Says you :Geek
     
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    Tons of it, half the book of Hebrews, much has been presented I don't doubt already.
    I won't do your homework for you.
    The whole of the gospels.

    I'd begin in Genesis 1:1 and read the book.

    You are making your argument from the standpoint of propositions which must fit an Orthodox Theological mold, not the testimony of the text itself. The testimony of the text itself suggests strong (admittedly not over-whelming I.M.O.) evidence that Christ could have sinned but did not.

    Why don't you show the text which suggests his temptations rolled off him like water off a duck's back or that Satan's temptation of him in the wilderness was pointless, that Satan was so stupid he didn't realize he was wasting his time, and he did not need the angels to minister to him afterward etc....after all, you do have a positive case to make that he couldn't.
    But, zilch texts suggest he was incapable of sin, many suggest he was capable of it. The weight of evidence (textually, not according to systematic Theology) is that he was "tempted in like manner such as we" and "was touched with our infirmities."
    not...
    "was tempted but, it was irrelevant because he had a nature which procluded the possibility of sinning and he was in no meaningful since touched with the infirmities you have; and in fact he's an inapplicable example of humanity because he's possessed with another entirely different NATURE simultaneously which you cannot possibly emulate" (such as you are asserting.).... that's fitting a Theological system, (which you are doing quite well) it isn't Bible.

    Frankly, it's clap-trap.
     
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    For someone to experience real temptation does not mean that they would have succomed to it. The fact that the Bible says that God cannot be rempted to sin and since Jesus is eternally Almighty God even though with a human nature, is nonetheless One Person the God-Man and therefore incapable of yielding to temptation
     
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    Says the word of God: 2Ti 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.

    It may not be a foolish question, but after 4 threads, the answers become foolish.

    This is not remotely an important doctrine; nor is anyone that takes one side of that issue over the other, guilty of being a heretic.

    And therefore, accordingly, my last word.
     
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    And general "taint so" posts are the fruit of malice.
     
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    A wonderfully and perfectly Orthodox and Theologically expressed Systematic syllogism which makes sense in light of presuppositions which you need to be true for your understanding to remain consistent.
    These arguments have been around for literally millennia.
    They are directly related to why Catholicism insists on the Immaculate Conception of Mary....seriously, look it up.
    It fits a necessary niche in a consistent Theological mold.

    It isn't Bible.
     
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    Well said, actually.....specifically, that neither view classifies as heresy.

    It is somewhat important, and worth discussion, but, well-said all-in-all.
     
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    You Should know !
     
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    HeirofSalvation is always posting falsehoods about others, which shows no effort to follow Christ's commands.
     
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    On and on folks, these posters are ignorant of the topic, but know what it is not. :)
     
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