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What is your view of "Q" (QAnon)?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Wesley Briggman, Oct 15, 2020.

  1. atpollard

    atpollard Well-Known Member

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    Let's set aside "rhetoric" and talk Christian to Christian. Taking the items mentioned (which are an eclectic collection) in the order presented:

    DO I STILL BELIEVE:

    Yes. I learned early on that we are born cold, wet and naked ... and things go downhill from there. So I find more than a grain of salt in the old joke: "Q:How can you tell when a politician is lying? A:Their lips are moving!" So I do not trust in any man or political party to "make things right". The Republican Party wants to promise to end abortion (which they can't) in order to "bless" Corporate Billionaires and the Democrats want to promise to end prejudice (which they can't) in order to bless Institutional Billionaires. Neither one cares about me except to trick me into thinking they care so they can get the vote and maintain the status quo.

    So I BELIEVE IN GOD. God had my back when no one else did. God never blew smoke and told me it would be all good times. What God promised was that hard times would come, but God would NEVER leave me to face them alone. God also promised that WHATEVER HAPPENES, He will get me through it.

    So I believe in God the Father and Jesus Christ, His Son and the Holy Spirit that keeps me walking forward in a world that is moving sideways.
     
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    I would think that you would be able to see the danger in what is happening.
    30,000 people went to Washington to be heard and no one listened.
    What happened when the world repeatedly ignored the attempts of the Black community to have their grievances heard?

    If you vilify the many for the actions of the few, you may learn what a REAL Insurrection looks like. Think Timothy McVeigh or Waco Texas turned national. The only thing that can unite them is if the oppression becomes real. That is the real danger I see ahead.

    I lived 58 years without ever owning a firearm. In 2020 it was not Q-Anon but the DNC that finally scared me into getting one for Home Defense.
     
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    1. He was not shot (ONLY the police were shooting people).
    2. Some of your facts are incorrect and some are misleading.
    3. I admitted the crowd was at fault and those guilty should be prosecuted.
     
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    I was asking QAnon believers if they still believed the QAnon nonsense.
     
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    They went to Washington because Trump specifically asked them to come on January 6th. It was not a spontaneous event. President Trump wanted them there to put pressure on Congress. He did it because his false claims of voter fraud could not be supported in the courts (five dozen lawsuits). They believed the lie.

    I have never claimed that all supporters of Trump were part of the insurrection, nor even the majority of those present in Washington.

    Congratulations on your firearm purchase. Learn how to use it well and train other responsible members of your family to use it as well. Keep it secure from curious children.
     
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    Right. He was beaten to death by armed people who did not use firearms. There was only one shooting, and that was the Capitol police officer who was forced to shoot the woman crawling through the window that was just broken to enter an area where lawmakers they wanted to lynch were present. It was exactly the right thing to do in that situation.

    I don’t think so. I watched it live as well as viewing quite a bit of video, along with the claims of the people who attacked the Capitol.
     
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    That is what I see also. On one of the links above I followed the powers to be wants to blame a site posted to, for what someone did, killed 22 people in El Paso, I believe, therefore they closed down the site. The site didn't kill anyone. Maybe the powers to be should be monitoring the sites that allow the free thinking and try to arrest the degenerate free thinker before he killed the 22 people.
     
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    It is almost like watching, "Game of Thrones."
     
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    How many of those at the Capitol do you think were QAnon? %

    I would bet my life less than 5%
     
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    My understanding is the policeman's family said he was not hit with a fire extinguisher. I think he died of a stroke.
     
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    I agree that is the reason for the WHEN and WHERE. The reason WHY a person shows up varies from individual to individual. The man with a truck full of Pipe Bobs two blocks away came to DC for a different reason than the man with the Zip Ties. Both of them came for a different reason than the man who was just talking to his wife on the phone when he had a heart attack, or the man that liked to sell stuffed Kangaroos that were dressed like Donald Trump. Some came to support a president they loved. Some came to protest an election they believed involved cheating. Some came to kill and destroy.

    Almost certainly. However President Trump also wanted all 300 million Americans to vote for him, so what "the Donald wanted" is irrelevant. He invited many, and those that came did so for their own personal reasons.

    This is one of those dangerous HALF-TRUTHS. I will completely admit that his legal war to overturn the vote was a complete failure.
    That said, MOST of the cases were not decided against TRUMP, but dismissed without being heard for procedural reasons. That means that Fraud may or may not have happened, but the person bringing the case before the court is not the person to be bringing this case at all (or this is the wrong court to hear that case). That counts as neither a victory nor a defeat on the strength of the facts. [Those are the cases that bother me, because I want Biden proven innocent and the election proven fair ... not "we don't want to look".]
    Some of the cases were utterly shredded and shot full of holes. The accusation of NO republican watchers present in a counting center and Republicans attempting to enter was embarrassingly debunked as completely untrue when it came time for sworn testimony. So there was NEVER a time when any Democratic "machine" could have done whatever they pleased completely unobserved. That was good to hear because that is EXACTLY how the system was supposed to work.
    Some of the cases ruled "yes, they cheated like a Vegas card shark" but we have no evidence that it happened EVERYWHERE and would effect the election. The cheating was not widespread.
    Frankly, it is not the JOB of private citizens to investigate reports of organized crime and election tampering. We have an FBI and Justice Department to investigate serious crime. There are enough serious statistical anomalies that they SHOULD be investigated so the rumors can be refuted with better facts than "you can't prove it happened".

    ["You can't prove I smuggled cocaine over state lines, and even if you could the statute of limitations has passed" is not the same as "It never happened".]

    They believed many lies because there was no way to discern which statements were lies and which were truth. Both sides were (and are) lying, which fans the flames of misinformation.
     
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    I have specifically heard conflicting reports about him being hit with a fire extinguisher, so did you see that?
    He is reported to have returned to his station, filed a report and talked to other officers before dying, so your description making it sound like he was beaten to death in the Capitol is deliberately misleading. Only protestors died at the Capitol. One shot by police and one crushed between the police and the crowd. Two others died outside of natural causes unrelated to storming the Capitol.
     
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    Sadly, I know how to use it TOO well. It was the memories of my pre-Christian days that made me reluctant to ever touch a gun again. :(

    [Funny story: For a long while I worked flagging wetland boundaries. That involved cutting a path around a swamp with a machete and hanging numbered colored ribbons along the path. An occupational hazard was to stumble across an alligator or water moccasin. I had a legitimate use for one of those little .45/.410 Derringers to deal with a snake or Gator, but chose to use the Machete rather than hold another gun. Fortunately, most encounters just involved the critter and I retreating in opposite directions. :) ]
     
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