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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jan 22, 2021.

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  1. SavedByGrace

    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    answer Scripture not make theological remarks
     
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    Question is regeneration same thing as being born again?
     
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    SavedByGrace Well-Known Member

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    Yes same thing same time
     
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    Ephesians 2:5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved),

    Here is an obvious and fundamental biblical teaching, we are made alive, regenerated, born anew when we are united with Christ.

    In Christ = saved, not in Christ = not saved.
    In Christ = alive, not in Christ = spiritually dead in sin
    In Christ = regenerated, not in Christ not regenerated
    In Christ = born anew, not in Christ conceived in sin. (Psalms 51:5)

    Romans 6:11
    Even so consider yourselves to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

    Corinthians 1:30
    But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

    1Corinthians 15:22
    For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

     
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    The short version:

    Hosea 5:15 I (Christ) will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face: in their affliction they will seek me early.
     
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    That is not a scriptural support for your self-made and unsupported claims. Answer the question:


    I call upon the author to provide scripture to support his claim that the Holy Spirit "uses the blood of Jesus Christ to “λουτρόν”, (bathe) the repentant sinner" or to admit the claim is not scriptural and retract it.

    I call upon the author to provide scripture to support his claim that the Holy Spirit "uses the blood of Jesus Christ ... to “ἀνακαίνωσις” (renew) them by His conversion." or to admit the claim is not scriptural and retract it.
     
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    All biblically reformed persons, and non reformed with understanding know all the parts of salvation happen at one point in time.Simultaneous.
    The OP. skips the word quickened,lol...it would unravel his who premise:Redface:Cautious
    Convicting while part of being drawn in and of itself does not translate to regeneration.
     
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    Titus 3:5 says that! prove this wrong from Scripture. Show from the Word where the persons sins are not "washed away" in the blood of Jesus Christ, and that the Holy Spirit does this?
     
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    shows how much you know! The Greek verb συνεζωοποιησεν used in Ephesians 2:5 and Colossians 2:13, literally means, "to make one alive together with another". So please check your facts before posting!
     
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    no one said that it does.

    and another fact for your claim

    Regeneration Precedes Faith
     
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    " And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood" (Revelation 1:5)
     
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    Effortlessly.

    [Titus 3:5 NASB] 5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

    1. YOU SAID: the Holy Spirit "uses the blood of Jesus Christ to “λουτρόν”, (bathe) the repentant sinner"
      • The blood of Jesus Christ is mentioned nowhere in the referenced verse.
      • “repentant sinner” is mentioned nowhere in the referenced verse.
      • Your specific claims are figments of your imagination that appear nowhere in the verse that you claim.
    2. YOU SAID: the Holy Spirit "uses the blood of Jesus Christ ... to “ἀνακαίνωσις” (renew) them by His conversion."
      • The blood of Jesus Christ is mentioned nowhere in the referenced verse.
      • “conversion” is mentioned nowhere in the referenced verse.
      • Your specific claims are figments of your imagination that appear nowhere in the verse that you claim.
    It is telling that when challenged to support your unsupported statements, you not only refuse to provide any scripture that affirms what you teach, but you believe that it is the responsibility of the world to prove you false. That is not how things work. If you make claims, you are expected to be able to support those claims.

    If you cannot even support the claims in the first paragraph of your OP wall of text, what chance is there that the rest of it is any different and why should anyone waste time “proving or disproving” statement that even YOU are unwilling to try and prove.

    Enjoy your blog and I hope you find an audience that wants to drink the Kool-Aid.
     
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    So “Jesus” washed us, not the “Holy Spirit”.
    When was that?
     
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    No, hearing comes from the word of God.
     
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    Romans 3:11
     
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    Is that your answer for atpollard's request?
    Here is what he asked you:

    I call upon the author to provide scripture to support his claim that the Holy Spirit "uses the blood of Jesus Christ to “λουτρόν”, (bathe) the repentant sinner" or to admit the claim is not scriptural and retract it.

    We await your scripture.
     
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    Yes. we are made alive In And with Christ..in Union with Him.
    He died a Covenant death on their behalf.
    You are the one who posts foolishly with no clue what you are reading in english or greek.So you. can just check yourself.:Smile:Sneaky:Cautious
     
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    He has none ,in the english or the greek
     
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    Titus 3:5 is only part of a sentence. Look at the whole.

    Titus 3:3-7

    For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

    This passage argues against your claim.

    Again, the title of this thread made me laugh out loud.
     
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    instead of repented nonsense, why don't YOU show from the Bible, that what I have said is wrong?
     
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