Those Five Republican (?) Senators

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Actually, they are afraid he will lose. He has never accepted the results of an election. Even the 2016 election that he won -- he claimed massive fraud.

Imagine if he ran again and lost. His personality cult and those who have committed violence in his name would continue to cause unrest and undermine confidence in our elections.

 

I'm not sure who you are addressing, but since I have used the word "cult" speaking of the Trump personality cult, I will address it.

Not everything is about abortion. Not every conversation here is about abortion, and I suspect that you speak of more topics than abortion in your day-to-day conversations. And I'm not sure why you are calling out "black babies" instead of the unborn of all ethnicities.

 

Fortunately, since the makers of voting machines and software have sued major right-wing figures, such as Lin Wood, Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powell, Fox News, etc., there will be a legal accounting of the election, under rules of law, not whatever pundits claim.

Do you realize that Rudy Giuliani never once claimed fraud before a judge, but only in front of news cameras?

Did you notice on the first day of the Senate trial that Trump's attorney specifically conceded that the voters did not re-elect Trump -- that Trump lost the election? As an attorney, he can't claim something that he knows is false in a legal proceeding without getting himself in trouble.

So Trump's own attorneys concede that there was not fraud in the election that changed the results. Are you going to accept their word for it?

 

I can understand somewhat about thinking Trump has a cult following.

What I do not understand how an accomplished Christian can support candidates that think a fetus is less than a human being, have them exterminated for convenience, and say to me that it just one topic in my barrel of topics.

It would not take long for you to out think me and use logic to poke holes in any argument I could come up with.

We were all fetuses at one point, no?
Then at that point we didn't count so I'm just a wet noodle for suggesting fetuses have human value.

Are you OK with abortion?

Can a woman forget her sucking child,
that she should not have compassion
on the son of her womb?
yea, they may forget,
yet will I not forget thee.
Isaiah 49:15

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who I wonder about is Cassidy from Louisiana. Bet he votes to acquit.

kind of like the way Twitter, Facebook. and youtube ban any sign of dissent. They are the neverTrump cult.

 

After today’s presentation, there is no reason not to acquit, or to demand that every Dem first resign and accept a permanent ban from office as an example, and then take the vote.

The Dem hypocrites—yes, yes, redundant, I know—would all be thoroughly ashamed, if they had intact consciences. Guess we’ll know how many do by how many apologize and vote to acquit, or themselves resign first and forever.

 

LOL. Wow. Just wow. Shadow presidency? Trump? Talk about your conspiracy theorists. The Progressive Left Dems are the biggest conspiracy theorists of all, and then conspire to make theirs seemingly become reality, while they actually conspire in the same vein as their accusations. Didn’t you forget to mention Russian collusion again?

 

And again with the nonsense. The Dems, hypocrites supreme, rushed the impeachment in the House without allowing or doing any investigation whatsoever, and ignored all constitutionalities that mitigated against such an extreme measure as impeachment. It never should have reached the Senate.

But their hypocrisy was on full display for all to view and review today. Any Rep going along with them in this is just as unhinged and full of hate as the Dems, and that is a terrible lot.

 

This could always be easily seen since Trump supporters (here and other forums) cannot publicly admit that former President Trump is frequently dishonest — even with explicit evidence. They know they cannot speak freely about it without facing the wrath of other Trump supporters. That’s a key sign of a personality cult.

Abortion is a very important issue, but electing Republican Presidents has done little to change the legal status of abortion over the past 30 years. Moreover, I don’t think the way to end abortion is to try to elect Presidents to nominate certain types of Justices, that may one day overturn Roe v. Wade, which would not end abortion. If we managed to overturn Roe v. Wade, the matter would go back to the states and each state would decide the issue on their own.

but the biggest problem with the “elect Republican” strategy for eliminating abortion is the way Christians often have to ignore every other issue and many teachings of Christ to implement that strategy. Many conservative Christians and Evangelicals have destroyed our credibility before the world by ignoring the lives of those already born (refugees, minorities being abused/killed by police officers, etc.), refusing to support government programs to assist vulnerable families that have trouble supporting the children they already have. I could go on and on, but I think I have made my point.

Primarily because I have the easy side of the argument.

Fetuses have value, most people believe that. The big question in the Roe v. Wade decision and among most who support abortion to some degree is when personhood begins. The official position of BaptistBoard is that “life begins at conception” and no one is allowed to question that. Therefore the greatest number of lives lost occurs when the embryo does not implant in the uterus (from 30%-50% of the time) and the embryo passes out of the woman’s body.

But getting back to the issue, if conservative Christians were to transform our culture through the power of the Spirit by acting like Jesus, not just grabbing after worldly power to dictate our convictions, we could change everything and make abortion extremely rare. The historical precedent for this was the way the early church transformed the Roman Empire by careful for infants left for dead, creating a culture where pederasty was looked upon with derision, and undermining the culture that abused slaves for sexual reasons (many early Christians were slaves, subject to sexual abuse by their masters), promoting faithfulness in marriage, and gradually raising the cultural worth and value of women in Greco-Roman culture.

We worship the same God as the early church and all the power available to them is available to us. We can also know that if we choose to do the will of God as explained by Jesus in His teachings, He WILL support us with His power and Spirit. We just have to turn away from trying to do God’s work only through the power structures of this world and, instead, participate in the Kingdom of God.

 

You should educate yourself before you attack others.

I’m simply referencing what Lindsay Graham has said.

 

Nice way of putting it but please, are you ok with abortion?

"But getting back to the issue, if conservative Christians were to transform our culture through the power of the Spirit by acting like Jesus, not just grabbing after worldly power to dictate our convictions, we could change everything and make abortion extremely rare."

"Extremely rare" sounds like it could be construed as a tacit approval so set me straight if it's worth it to you. Prob not.

They killed Jesus for His efforts to make things morally feasible. Wasn't He conservative in the power of the Spirit?

"Grabbing worldly power to dictate" is the politician's mantra, no?

Here is a list of what some Catholics think President Trump did to halt abortion:

Accomplishments of the Trump Administration on Pro-Life and Other Issues

Trump also had other issues to deal with and to me it's amazing he even attempted to do so much for life, rather than just use his stand as a way and a lie to get some Christians to support him.

The thief cometh not, but for to steal and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life...
John 10:10

I am not asking you to become a Republican or a Democrat just asking if you will support ANY politician who seeks to protect the lives of fetuses, of whatever color. And support them in spite of potential detriment to other causes.

Perhaps you see it more as one more wave in a sea of troubles.

 

No, you weren't "simply." You made no reference to anyone else. BTW, do you have an original source rather merely an article about? Or was that lone quote the entire substance?

In any case, the notion that Trump continuing to have influence in the Republican party while Biden is president would in any way constitute being a "shadow president" makes absolutely no sense. But to present it as you did, as a conspiracy to run the executive branch while not president, is beyond ridiculous, and certainly not what Lindsay said.

 

I am not “ok with abortion.”

I am simply being accurate and trying to speak with precision. Humankind has been aborting children for at least 5,000 years, so there are some who will do it no matter what. Then there are folks who believe that the removal and death of an embryo when removed from an ectopic pregnancy is abortion, so I’m trying to cover that as well.

I don’t know what you mean by “morally feasible,” but yes, Jesus was crucified. As Bonhoeffer stated so well, “when Christ calls a man, He bids him to come and die.” Jesus told us to take up our cross and follow Him. It is a metaphorical cross (to consider ourselves as dead men) and sometimes a more literal cross that leads to martyrdom.

Many American Christians seem to want to live a life of ease and popularity and not set aside their own selfish desires and sin to take up the life of the cross.

But Jesus called them to Himself and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles domineer over them, and those in high position exercise authority over them. It is not this way among you, but whoever wants to become prominent among you shall be your servant, and whoever desires to be first among you shall be your slave; just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many.” (Matthew 20:25-28)​

But does any of that actually end abortion, or make people think abortion is a bad thing when they have an unwanted pregnancy?

Good, because I’m not terribly interest in identifying with a political party.

No, I’m pro-life.

I don’t think it is right to reject the full teachings of Jesus and reject the sanctity of life for those already born solely in the hopes of voting in a politician who will be likely extremely ineffective in doing anything that will reduce abortions.

That’s simplistic, ineffective, and undermines the gospel.

If the proliferation of abortion was the only moral issue facing our nation, Your premise would have more weight, but if we want to be pro-life, we have many other areas to be concerned about.

 

Sorry, I assumed you would know what I meant by “shadow President.” Do you realize you could have looked it up on a search engine if you didn’t know what that meant?

The legitimacy of the observation does not depend upon whether or not Lindsey Graham said it. But so that you know the source, it was reported as a statement to Peter Nicolas as part of an opinion piece for The Atlantic. I remembered it because it was a perceptive comment by Graham.

More than influence, but being the defacto head of the Republican Party, holding rallies and issuing press releases. That’s a change from the way things have been done in the past. That’s what I meant — and what Graham seemed to be saying — when we referred to Trump being a “shadow President.’

[/quote]...would in any way constitute being a "shadow president" makes absolutely no sense.[/quote]
Sure it does. But you don’t have to believe it.

I never claimed that he would run the Executive Branch. That’s why I said “shadow” President. He would have to be President to run the Executive Branch.

Again, you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. Please seriously consider what I say without assuming the most stupid and nonsensical interpretation possible.