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THE FAMILY.

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  1. Alex2165

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    THE FAMILY.

    Single Dads and singles Moms usually means divorced parents. Personally I do not believe in a family with a single parent, except those who's spouse died. Does divorce permitted under GOD?

    Matthew 5.31-32
    31.It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a Certificate of Divorce.’ (Deuteronomy 24.1-4) (Matthew 5.31, 19.4-7-8-12) (Mark 10.2-4-5-12)

    32.But I say to you that anyone who divorces his wife except on the ground of unchastely, causes her to commit adultery, and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery." (Malachi 2.13-16) (Matthew 5.31-32, 19.3-12) (Luke 16.18) (1Corinthians 7.1-10-17.25-39-40) (Jeremiah 3.1)

    Matthew 19.3-12
    3.Some Pharisees came to Him and to test Him they asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause?”
    4.He answered, “Have you not read that the One Who made them at the beginning, made them male and female,
    5.and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’ (Genesis 2.24)
    6.So they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore, what GOD has joined together, let no one separate.”
    7.They said to Him, “Why then Moses command us to give a Certificate of Dismissal and to divorce her?”
    8.He said to them, “It was because you were so hard-hearted that Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
    9.And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife except for unchastely, and marries another, commits adultery.”
    10.His disciples said to Him, “If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry.”
    11.But He said to them, “Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given.

    12.There are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made *eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the Kingdom of Heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.”

    1Corinthians 7.10-11.39
    10.To the married I give this command, not I but the Lord, that the wife should not separate from her husband,
    11.but if she does separate, let her remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband, and that the husband should not divorce his wife.
    (Malachi 2.13-16) (Matthew 5.31-32, 19.3-12) (Luke 16.18) (1Corinthians 7.1-10-17.25-39-40) (Jeremiah 3.1)
    39.A wife is bound as long as her husband lives (Malachi 2.13-16). But if the husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes only in the Lord.

    I believe that despite the fact of the "Certificate of Divorce" issued by Moses, divorce is not permitted under GOD, unless people considered themselves "hard-hearted" (Mat 19.8). In this case they put themselves out of parameters and frame of GOD'S Laws, and so, they can justify their divorce on a different ground.

    Ephesians 5.21-24.31-33
    21.Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ. (in the fear of Christ - KSB)
    22.Wives, be subject to your husbands (Ephesians 5.21-33) (Titus 2.3-5) (Colossians 3.18-19) (1Peter 3.1-7) as you are to the Lord.
    23.The husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church, the body of which He is the Savor.
    24.Just as the church is subject to Christ, so also wives to be in everything to their husbands.
    31.For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife and the two will come one flesh. (Genesis 2.24)
    33.Each of you however should love his wife as himself, and a wife should respect her husband. (Ephesians 5.21-33) (Titus 2.3-5) (Colossians 3.18-19) (1Peter 3.1-7)

    Colossians 3.18
    18.Wives, *be subject to your husbands as is fitting in the Lord.

    *Woman shall be subordinate to the authority of her husband: (Genesis 3.16) (Numbers 5.19-20) (1Corinthians 14.33-38) (Colossians 3.18) (1Timothy 2.11-14)

    Titus 2.4-5
    4.so that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
    5.to be self-controlled chaste, good managers of the household, kind being, submissive to their husbands (Ephesians 5.21-33) (Titus 2.3-5) (Colossians 3.18-19) (1Peter 3.1-7), so that the Word of GOD may not be discredited.

    1Peter 3.1-7
    1.Wives, in the same way accept the authority of your husbands, so that even if some of them do not obey the Word, they may be won over without a Word by their wives conduct,
    2.when they see the purity and reverence of your lives.

    3.Do not adorn yourselves outwardly by braiding your hair and by wearing gold ornaments, or fine clothing,
    4.rather let your adornment be the inner self, with the lasting beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in GOD’S sign.
    5.It was in this way long ago that the holy women who hoped in GOD used to adorn themselves by accepting the authority of their husbands.
    6.Thus Sarah obeyed Abraham and called him lord (Genesis 18.12. KSB). You have become her daughters as long as you do what is good and never let fears alarm you.
    7.Husbands, in the same way show consideration for your wives in your life together, paying honor to the woman as the weaker sex, since they too are also heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing may hinder your prayers.
    (Ephesians 5.21-33) (Titus 2.3-5) (Colossians 3.18-19) (1Peter 3.1-7)

    Proverbs 31.30
    30.Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.

    Proverbs 14.1
    1.The wise woman builds her house, but the foolish tears it down with her own hands.

    My conclusion is that if your marriage does not going according to your plan, you should not seek secular divorce, but you should bear your "cross."
     
  2. Scarlett O.

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    I agree that the marriage should be protected and that the husband and wife should do whatever they can to treat their marriage as God would have them.

    But you say, "bear your cross". What if the wife is being beaten, raped, abused verbally or emotionally? What if husband gets cheated on over and over and over again?

    Should she stay? Should she just "bear her cross"? Should he stay?

    Two things:
    [1] I think you have misused the term "bear your cross". When Jesus said this to his disciples, he wasn't speaking going through hard times or having a burden to bear such as a horrible marriage. He was speaking of counting the cost of following him. That's the literal context of Luke 14.

    [2] Under your name - your "faith" says "seeking Christ". Are you a Christian?
     
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  3. Alex2165

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    You wrote:



    Two things:
    [1] I think you have misused the term "bear your cross". When Jesus said this to his disciples, he wasn't speaking going through hard times or having a burden to bear such as a horrible marriage. He was speaking of counting the cost of following him. That's the literal context of Luke 14.


    What you think means "following him." Accompany Him on the road? Following Him in the crowd? Or following His Commandments? And what are His Commandments said about marriage? Did you read my post and see in it that those who are divorced and "remarried" commit adultery. Do you need more proof of that?


    You mentioned Luke 14. Is this is the cost to pay? Is this is all? What about the rest of His parables and Commandments, particularly those that talking about marriage? Are they no count in your, "cost of following Him?" Is it will be similar to reading Bible with the scissors?


    Or may be you suggesting that we can discard His Commandments and teachings of Paul and follow only those Statutes that we considered easy to observe? Then why it had been written that if you violate one Commandment of the Law you became guilty of entire Law?


    Under Words, "Bear your cross" Jesus Christ meant all our troubles, difficulties, temptations, weaknesses, sufferings, and other thinks under the burden of which we in anguish, distress, and pain, no matter of the circumstances.


    When a woman suffer from abusive husband she bear her cross as a Christian, when a woman are not Christian but suffer from her abusive husband, she just bear her own troubles and nothing more.


    Moreover, "Bear your cross" also means to bear the Statutes and Ordinances of Christ which is hard for us to carry, because they required from us power of will, patience, endurance, tolerance, and persistence in order to fulfill His Commandments and His Laws, and this is also our burden and our cross to bear.


    Jesus bear His cross for us, and we shall bear "our cross" for Him, means carrying His Laws and His Statutes and live by them, otherwise what kind of Christians we are if we do not follow our GOD?


    Of course you can understand these words "follow Him" and "bear your cross" in your own way and act as you wish, but I am certainly convinced that the Words, "Bear your cross" means to bear all the Statutes of Christ without any exceptions, including His Statutes concerning marriage.



    You wrote:

    "What if the wife is being beaten, raped, abused verbally or emotionally? What if husband gets cheated on over and over and over again?
    Should she stay? Should she just "bear her cross"? Should he stay?"



    Who chose for her such husband? Who push her to chose such man? Who's fault is it? Is it society fault? GOD'S fault? Or may be bad weather fault? Why such woman would not open the Bible before she got married and read what Christ said about marriage, if she is a Christian? Why she chose non-Christian man to marry her? Or he is also a Christian? When they both worth one another.


    Let assume she was not Christian when she was married but became Christian during her marriage, does it excuses her to divorce her legal husband? That is exactly means to "bear your cross" when you make a big mistake and have to pay for it. But if you want easy way out, you then are not bearing your cross, you are cheating.


    I studied this issue very thoroughly, and came to conclusion that it is possible to separated yourself from abusive husband or wife, but not to divorce them. And if one of them file for divorce, the remaining party should not participate. In this case the guilt will lie on the party who file for divorce and it granted.



    [2] Under your name - your "faith" says "seeking Christ". Are you a Christian?


    What different it makes? For me seeking Christ it is a life time affair. Seeking His guidance, seeking His help, learning His Statutes, trying to understand His Ordinances, constantly watching my own steps and improving my knowledge and behavior, and many more, that constitutes definition of seeking Christ.


    If you call yourself a Christian but ignoring His Commandments, are you sure that you are a true Christian, or pretend to be one? We have to go through "the narrow gate" because wide highway does not lead to the Kingdom of GOD, that is the meaning of bearing your cross and follow the Christ.


    No guts no glory.
     
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    Where is that in the Bible in particular pertaining to a raped and beaten woman staying with her husband?

    If a Christian woman is being raped, abused, and beaten by a husband, she had no obligation to stay. Especially if she has children and he may harm them.

    You seem to have a hard view of women. I'll bow out now,
     
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    The woman in such a situation is under NO obligation to physically stay in that arrangement, but all depends if the Husband is professing Jesus or Not to if she can biblical divorce him and not just stay separated
     
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    Concerning rape, Bible only specified about virgins, married women (if she raped by stranger), and women in general who are raped by a stranger not known to them, which is in these cases considered as adultery and punishable offense.

    Bible does not cover "rape by the husband" because it is a modern liberal doctrine and complete nonsense.

    But it should be a certain understanding between two parties and mutual respect concerning sexual relationship.

    1Corinthians 7.3
    3."The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband."


    You wrote:
    "If a Christian woman is being raped, abused, and beaten by a husband, she had no obligation to stay."


    This is according to you, but not to GOD.

    Divorce is not approved by GOD nor by Apostle Paul, except on the ground of unchastely (Matthew 5.32).
     
  7. Scott Downey

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    Scripture says the wife can leave her husband, but they are not to remarry or they commit adultery.

    1 Corinthians 7
    10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband.
    11 But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife.

    And if married to an unbelieving spouse and they want to go, they can go. Not under bondage means the unbeliever cant drag the believing spouse into their life of sin, so they are not under bondage to go with along with them. But they are not free to remarry.

    15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace.

    People can only remarry if the spouse dies.
    This one trips up a lot of people.

    39 A wife is bound by law as long as her husband lives; but if her husband dies, she is at liberty to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

    Paul here is in complete agreement with what Christ said about marriage, and divorce and adultery.
     
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