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Six Bombshell Revelations from Fauci's Emails

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by Revmitchell, Jun 4, 2021.

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  1. Wingman68

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    Just the kind of reply leftists always give. They remain here to ‘help’ others see the error of their ways, & are typically verbose in doing so. They sway no one, but they love to hear themselves, ad nauseam, if I might borrow a phrase. They dissect minutia so people will see how superior they are. What people truly see is how superior a leftist thinks he is. Look at the people who take apart posts piece by piece in their responses, & you’ll see a leftist. Winner, winner, chicken dinner.
     
  2. Gold Dragon

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    I plead guilty to trying to address all the different points people make in their posts. Do you want me to point out all the other times people do this on this forum so you can call them leftist as well?

    I have faith that people when presented with good information and a logical argument are able think critically and potentially change their views. At the least they will think more carefully about what they post in the future and maybe fact check things a bit first before they post something that makes themselves look stupid. Maybe my faith is misplaced but I will continue to believe that to be true.
     
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    The border had already been closed to China travel for more than a month. Early reaction is critical to slowing spread. Furthermore, anyone who knows "how things work" knows that it is much easier to relax measures rather than tighten them.

    But Fauci even arrogantly doubled down when the interviewer asked him if he was certain. If Fauci was trying to discourage the public from mask usage throughout the pandemic, he said the right thing.

    If he was only trying to discourage mask usage temporarily, he failed miserably. He could have easily and readily added that he had no reliable data, that he was awaiting double-blind studies, as he did for HCQ despite all of the success stories.

    If the goal was to correct his arrogant misrepresentation, the right thing to do would have been to step down permanently and allow someone else to fill the gap, someone who still had sufficient credibility.

    Fauci rightly has zero credibility, except with sycophants, gullible types, and those with more nefarious aims.
     
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    LOL. Yes, your admission speaks volumes of personal incompetence, unable to follow a rather simple explanation, yet remarkably able to resort to citing and twisting unrelated ideas. Your ridiculous post outdoes what you accuse Tucker Carlson of by many magnitudes. Well done.

    Again, the best thing to do is follow the suggestion to stick to medicine.
     
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    This is just dumb. If it can pass in one way it can pass the other way too.
     
  6. Gold Dragon

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    I knew what you were saying. I chose to ignore it because it loses the forest in the trees when you go to that lengths about a ridiculous conspiracy theory that was poorly thought out to begin with. Which is why I posted my post. People who believe in conspiracy theories don’t actually care about the internal consistencies of all the crazy theories they believe in. Otherwise they would never believe them.
     
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    I know you are not interested in the science since I have shown you multiple times and you choose to ignore it.

    But for those who care, it is true that things the size of a virus or a very small droplet carrying virus can get both in and out of a surgical mask equally easily, especially through the sides and gaps.

    But surgical masks are very effective at blocking large droplets that are produced immediately by a cough or sneeze that then become smaller droplets. Which is what they were designed to do for surgeons to keep from contaminating their surgical field. That protection is far from perfect but when large swaths of the population use those masks and then combine them with other public health measures like distancing, isolating yourself when sick, early testing, etc you have a very effective low cost way to reduce the probability of infection and manage a pandemic.

    Having a multilayered strategy for managing risk is known as the Swiss cheese model and used conceptually for many things including air plane safety, reducing medical errors, bank security, defending against hackers and pandemic control.

    The Swiss Cheese Model of Pandemic Defense

    Swiss cheese model - Wikipedia
     
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    The idea is masks can help droplets from becoming aerosols. That is, masks can stop larger droplets (like when a person sneezes, or talks) but not smaller droplets.

    Think of it this way, a fence around a tennis court will stop a tennis ball but not a golf ball.

    The principle is not to stop COVID but to provide a preventive measure (stop the big stuff to help minimize exposure).
     
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    I'm glad you see the importance of mask wearing and I'm sure you were advocating for it back in March 2020 and were helping all those opposed to mask wearing to see its importance.

    A few things I'm sure everyone has forgotten now. But back in March 8 2020, Italy had 7000 positive cases, the US had 500. We had 1 case of known asymptomatic spread of covid19 in the world. The mask and PPE shortage was so dire that two days later the CDC loosened requirements for staff working with coronavirus patients to only have surgical masks and no gowns and required N95 and gowns only for high risk procedures that generated aerosols.

    https://www.chesco.org/DocumentCenter/View/54484/PPE-Summary-3-31-20

    Hospitals are already starting to run out of respirator masks crucial for coronavirus protection | Live Science

    Imagine Fauci told everyone at that time to wear a mask.

    Nobody who was actually listening to Fauci was discouraged from wearing a mask later because of what he said earlier when the situation was completely different. They understood it was an evolving situation and that is why plenty of people wore masks. The ones who didn't were people who wouldn't listen to Fauci anyway.

    It is kinda hard to blind someone to wearing a mask. There are no double blind studies for mask wearing.

    And if you read Fauci's quote in context, he is saying that his recommendation is
    1) for "right now" meaning it can change
    2) masks do offer protection by blocking droplets but it is not the protection people think (meaning it is more to protect other people from the wearer)
    3) that recommending them would lead to shortages for people who needed them right then

    So if he advised at that time for everyone to get masks, you would have hundreds of millions of people hoarding masks that did not have the virus and none available for sick people and health care workers.

    Outdated Fauci Video on Face Masks Shared Out of Context - FactCheck.org

    I expect Fauci to continue to make statements based on sound scientific reasoning available at that time, and be a thorn in the side against those who base their worldview on politics rather than facts and the truth.
     
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    Here is a link not behind a paywall

    The Swiss cheese model of Covid-19 defence: What it means, how it works

     
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    LOL. The point is right there in plain sight, but perhaps it is hard for the gullible to grasp reality. Fauci’s insistence on accepting only double-blind studies means he must reject all mask studies just as he rejected the HCQ success reports.

    The arrogance he displays in his arbitrary pontifications bolstered by ignorance disqualifies him as head of anything. Fauci simply cannot be trusted, should not be trusted.

    While a pandemic was growing, he spoke out against measures that might have significantly decreased the danger and saved lives, ensuring that the spread would be even more devastating, more catastrophic. Fauci deserves a Cuomo Award—the one for official mass murderer.
     
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    Chose to ignore it? No, that is not what your post did at all. Rather it mocked the idea that there could ever be a conspiracy, because some theories may not be justified. Such willful blindness calls for removing the word conspiracy from your dictionary, or at least your vocabulary.

    Meanwhile, the Communist Chinese regime continues to conspire in their coverup after first conspiring to hide the coming pandemic, which they in effect conspired to perpetrate with the help of the WHO. They had the help of the Dem Progressive Left & their MSM as well to ensure the US would be very hard hit.

    But the Dem Progressive Left with the help of their MSM was already well-practiced in carrying out conspiracy with a massive one, or several overlapping ones, against the Trump campaign and administration, infamously accusing of what they are guilty, as is their wont.
     
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    And staying home if you are sick accomplishes the same feat.
     
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    If anything you ignored my post. WHY do the states with mask mandates have the largest outbreaks?
     
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    It does. As far as I know people with COVID are not being asked to wear masks when they are at home.

    But there is a concern of people being contagious before they realize they are sick. This happens with just about any respiratory virus (people think they may have an issue with allergies, or perhaps just not feeling good, etc.) when in fact they have a virus that can be transmitted.

    Wearing masks was never intended, to my knowledge, to be a way for people who know they are sick and contagious to mingle with the public.
     
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    then if you are afraid of getting sick from those kinds of people……stay home
     
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    And that's the problem. People who are sick, are not staying home. That's an education problem. But even still, with all of this, we have a death rate of less than 2%. None of these mandates were necessary. None of them.
     
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    I'm not afraid of getting sick. I have been vaccinated.

    That said, in our nation men have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. One person is not permitted to exercise his or her right at the expense of others.

    Consider how God told Israel to deal with lepers. God did not tell the lepers they were free to mingle in public, that the public should stay home.
     
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    Problem is people do not know they are contagious NOT because of a lack of education but because of biology (people are often contagious prior to exhibiting symptoms recognizable to the disease.
     
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