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Galatians 2:2
I went in response to a revelation and set before them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles.

Why preach the gospel if already predetermined to be saved or doomed to hell.

"Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling: for it is God which, out of His own good pleasure, worketh in you both to will and to do."

Accept the free gift of Salvation offered by Christ.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL MEN unto me.

Jesus Christ did not choose who he wanted to go to heaven and hell, it was mans choice, they can choose where they want to go.

"....Not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance." The Bible says: For God so loved the WORLD....."

Not some elect that he chose from the foundation of the world. This false Doctrine is Wicked, and it makes God look bad, it would be like a guy who had the cure for cancer, But he said he was only going to give it to 10 million people, which he could give it to everyone with cancer, but he only chose to give it to 10 million. now would people be like:

"WOW! What a great guy! He is giving the cure for cancer to 10 million people!"

No!, they would be like:
"What a monster, He will not even give it to all the other millions and millions of people. " and that is what it is like.

it is making God look like a monster.

• John 3:16: For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
  
  
• John 12:32: And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."
  
  
• 1 Timothy 2:4: since he wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
  
  
• 2 Peter 3:9: The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some regard slowness, but is being patient toward you, because he does not wish for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.
  
  
• 1 John 2:2: and he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for our sins but also for the whole world.
  
  
• John 1:12: But to all who have received him - those who believe in his name - he has given the right to become God's children
  
  
• Matthew 23:37: "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those who are sent to you! How often I have longed to gather your children together as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you would have none of it!

 

rubbish
You do not answer because you have no answer.
I could attack my position more effectively than you and your little posse.
Your failure to grasp the long-suffering of God is just another example of it.
If the day comes when you want help, let me know.
If you can walk through and explain the verses go for it.

 

Classic error, every verse offered without understanding....every single one.
You are new here, so let me ask you a question on jn.12.
When Jesus was lifted on the cross 2000yrs ago,how did that help people in the rainforrest and such remote locations be drawn to Jesus as they died that same month, without knowing the name of Jesus?

 

I don't know how you can hold your head up while trying to claim election for your self when God made us all the same. There is no more Jews. and Gentiles. This did not make them Gentiles nor you Jewish. God did away with the separation and you Calvinist try to make us separate again. That just beats all don't it?
MB

 

I don't know about Stratton7 but I wouldn't come to you for anything.
MB

 

As they say in Georgia...bless your heart MB
I'LL Try my best to get on with my life saddened by this revelation mb.
I try to help when I see people who need it.
You need it badly, but I am just going to have to pass over you the way God passes over the non elect, both Jew and Gentile
I did notice that not one of you tried to respond in detail to any of the versed offered.
All the Cals could biblical respond it detail, why is that?
I would suggest they are biblically astute.
Other non cals could offer responses to it. They do not because they know what has been posted is correct, but are not comfortable with identifying with Calvin's posts.

 

Where does scripture say this?
MB

 

Of corse we all need to be told false doctrine.You know things you can't prove no matter how much you twist scripture. You keep avoiding the truth and you will be avoided.
MB

 

We preach reconciliation because our King tells us to and because God uses the elect to preach to the elect.

As for your verses, you must look at context or else it is very easy to misuse a verse. Here's an example:

If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.”
~ Luke 4:7

Without context, this could be used to say that if you worship God he will bless you. But, context shows this isn't even God who is speaking.

Go look at the whole passage of the verses you quote. You will find that you are misusing the verse. 2 Peter 3:9 is a prime example. The context and the audience proves you are not understanding what Peter is saying in his letter.

 

Sin made us all the same...we were all dead in our trespasses and sins. But God...made us alive with Christ.
The adopted children of God are not from one nation, one gender or one social status. God has chosen from all groups according to his own will.

 

They all with one consent began to make excuses. How many people have to point this out to you?
If you would admit you need help, all the others would help you, but you go on with useless time wasting posts.

 

Actually have been here quite awhile. I just hadn’t started posting until months ago.

Ah, the classic rainforest question.
So here’s what I believe about that and I only have time to give a couple examples.

The Witness of the Conscience

The Bible speaks of a thing being established by the testimony of at least two witnesses (2 Cor 13:1, Duet 17:6). There are two witnesses that proclaim that there is a God even without the gospel: The creation and the conscience. This is what Paul focuses on in Romans 2:14-16 by writing, “[14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another [16] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.”

What Paul is saying is that the Law of God – that is to do what is good and not what is evil – is written on their hearts and bears witness to the truth in “their conscience."

The Roman Centurion, Cornelius was a great example of this because he didn’t know the gospel fully or about Jesus Christ but was still called a “A devout man, and one that feared God..” (Acts 10:2). Listen to how God heard him and understood that Cornelius knew God even before he knew about the gospel in Acts 10:1-7:
[1]There was a certain man in Cæsarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band a called the Italian band, [2] A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway. [3] He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius. [4] And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God. [5] And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter: [6] He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do. [7] And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually; …”

Not only was Cornelius a God-fearing man but so was his entire household and one of the soldiers that attended to him was also said to be a “devout soldier." Cornelius probably didn’t know about Jesus Christ but he did know that God was real because when God spoke to him He seemed to know Him immediately saying, “What is it, Lord?" The men that Cornelius sent to Peter told him that “And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.” (Act 10:22). Eventually Cornelius was baptized (Act 10:47).

I gotta get going, but is my 2 cents.

 

Do you deny God is omniscient? Does God know who will be saved and who will not? Do you believe God is “unfair” if He creates someone knowing they will end up in hell? The only alternative is to deny God is omniscient?

Some have claimed every person that has ever lived gets the chance at salvation. Now, if you believe that, based on general relation, everyone gets a chance, then I’ll agree.

However, general revelation never saved anyone. The special revelation of the gospel is necessary for salvation.

Do you believe the gospel of Jesus Christ is necessary for salvation?

God made the gospel essential for salvation, knowing billions of people would live and die never hearing the gospel or the name of Christ.

For some, that truth cannot be accepted. It seems “unfair” to throw someone into hell that “never got the chance” for salvation by hearing the gospel.

And so, they invent all sorts of doctrine that is contrary to scripture and viciously attack everyone who points out their error.

peace to you

 

There were verses I saw that were addressed. You must be skipping posts or something.
You cannot say what or why other non Calvinists are not replying. Perhaps they know it’s pointless and nonsense.

 

With all do respect, I almost said this to several of you.
Calvinist is fatalism, twists Scripture to fit a man made philosophy of the words of God.

 

Cornelius to s a good example, indeed.

He was a “God-fearer”, a technical term for a gentile that followed Judaism and worshipped the God of the Jews.

And yet, he was not saved until God chose to send someone to him to preach the gospel.

So, he was chosen by God for salvation and God made certain he heard the gospel and was saved.

peace to you

 

Lost sinners by themselves cannot will themselves to believe, as natural man receives not things of God, and prefers to stay in darkness!