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John Calvin on The Extent of Jesus' Death

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by SavedByGrace, Jun 17, 2021.

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    Ah, the old "we presented sound arguments" in the unreferenced past argument. An oldie but malarkey.
    Scripture destroys Calvinism's false doctrines, including Limited Atonement.
    Here are few
    Next we get the old Calvinist chestnut that "many" in Matthew 26:28 refers to the "few" of Matthew 22:14. Twaddle
    When a Calvinist uses their special word "atonement" they do not define it. Smoke and mirrors folks, smoke and mirrors.
    I use terms like "Christ died for all humanity." Very clear. Does it say Christ redeemed all humanity? Nope
    I say a lost individual is "redeemed, saved, reconciled" when God places them into Christ. Very clear.

    It is time to reform the dark ages relic of Calvinism. We could call it "Gospel Truth."
     
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    Think that we Calvinists have far more and far better teachers and expounders of the truths of the scriptures on our side van, since Reformation times forward!
     
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    You have got to be kidding. Have you ever addressed a single verse demonstrating your doctrine is bogus?
    Try James 2:5
    1 Timothy 2:4
    I could go on but would be a waste of time..
     
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    MANY of my fellow Calvinists have addressed your postings many times, but all we get back is "Taint so"
     
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    Complete fiction from the fount of falsehoods.
    Have you ever addressed a single verse demonstrating your doctrine is bogus?
    Try James 2:5
    1 Timothy 2:4
    I could go on but would be a waste of time..
    Note how Y1 makes claims but runs from actual bible study...
     
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    Meh, it's clear your heart is hard. I will not argue with a Pharisee.
     
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    James 2:1-9
    My brothers,show no partiality as you hold the faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory. For if a man wearing a gold ring and fine clothing comes into your assembly, and a poor man in shabby clothing also comes in, and if you pay attention to the one who wears the fine clothing and say, “You sit here in a good place,” while you say to the poor man, “You stand over there,” or, “Sit down at my feet,” have you not then made distinctions among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brothers, has not God chosen those who are poor in the world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom, which he has promised to those who love him? But you have dishonored the poor man. Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court? Are they not the ones who blaspheme the honorable name by which you were called? If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well. But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

    1 Timothy 2:1-8
    First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time. For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth. I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling;

    Heresy is built on sentences taken out of context. Let the reader understand the context and thus understand the words of our King.
    Notice the bolded verse notated by Van without reference to the context surrounding. Let the reader see how heresy is built on one verse, and theology is built upon all scripture together in context.
     
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    You can run, but you cannot hide the false doctrine of Calvinism.

    Christ laid down his life as a ransom for all, those to be saved and those never to be saved. 1 Timothy 2:6 and 2 Peter 2:1
     
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    Did God intend to have all lost sinners get saved by the death of Jesus?
     
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    Hebrews 9:28 he died for sins of the many, not for the all!
     
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    Y1 asks questions, the same questions, but never answers question. He asks this absurd question concerning his understanding of 2 Peter 2:1. Go figure
     
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    You always duck, and say "Taint so"
     
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    Here 1 Timothy 2:6 is denied. Calvinists run first from their doctrine, then from scripture.
     
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    All to be defined as those to whom salvation was given, to those whom he actually redeemed!
     
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    Note how Calvinists project their malfeasance upon opponents. I present 1 Timothy 2:6 they present personal attacks.
     
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    You have not stated that before as response to us then?
     
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    Fiction and denial of 1 Timothy 2:6 because God desires all humanity to be saved, 1 Timothy 2:4. Note how Calvinism ignores verse after verse.
     
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    He desires all to get saved, but frustrated by us then?
     
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    Fiction, you have asked and have had answered your question many times.
     
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    Repeat of another fiction, the denial God's plan cannot be thwarted.
     
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