Ashli Babbitt killer comes forward.

She was shot for violently entering a secure area as part of a mob, after being warned not to do so by an officer pointing a firearm.

As part of a mob smashing through windows and doors, she was definitely a threat. Moreover, she was leading the way for others to penetrate that obstacle into the secured space where lawmakers were trying to move to a place of safety.

It's clear you approve of what she and the mob did.

 

Yep. That is the part that bugs me as well.

Assuming all that trash is true, how does that legally justify the use of deadly force?

 

Because the rest of the rioters learned the lesson that they could not get past that officer without risking severe injury or death. If she had not be shot, you can be sure that the rest of them would have followed into that space.

Pelosi was not responsible for Capitol security. In fact, lawmakers could not get much of the response from the rest of the government for hours because of the people that President Trump had placed in key positions.

That does not invalidate their testimony, nor all of the evidence, video and otherwise.

It adds up just fine. The problem for you is that the reality of it does not match your delusions.

 

As someone who is trained in the use of deadly force I can say that had the capital police not intentionally let them in use of deadly force would have been justified in the capital building whether they were armed or not

 

Where is the evidence that it is true?

Because the officers were protecting the lives of Congress and the Vice President. The mob was clearly hoping to catch and (at a minimum) abuse Polosi, Vice President Pence, and others.

 

Congratulations, I am also trained in the force continuum, the use of various weapons and techniques of deescalation, as well as methods of deadly force.

The claim that the Capitol Police "let them in" has not been backed up here, but even if they had, the Capitol Police were NOT "letting them in" to the area where Ashli Babbitt entered. They were smashing the doors and windows to try to enter that space.

 

I don't know about that. Armed has nothing to do with it. It can meet an element.

 

The video was out there.
The threshold for deadly force is to prevent death, great bodily harm, or a forcible felony .
Means, opportunity, and jeopardy all three must be present at time deadly force is used.
She had no means to harm congress. She did not yet have opportunity. She had yet to place anyone in jeopardy of losing their life.

 

I don’t know what that means

 

It can meet the "means" element, but does not in itself justify a shooting.

 

oh yep all by itself it can justify it. No doubt

 

It can meet one of the three required elements. It can not meet the other two.

 

Ok, one window

LEO testimony with video showing the assaults.

The LEO shot once because he was trained to “stop the threat”. One shot was enough to stop the threat.

Like I said, lots more needs to be revealed about events leading up to and day of.

Until evidence is brought forward to the contrary, I’m giving the LEO the benefit of the doubt he believed lethal force was necessary at that moment.

peace to you

 

as former le I’m way too suspicious due to far too many inconsistencies. Having been involved in many high value security details as a Marine Military Police I can assure you the whole thing stinks.

 

"Great bodily harm" had already been inflicted upon Capitol Police officers, as well as stated (shouted) intent to harm lawmakers. Deadly force was easily justified.

Means (a riotous mob armed with striking weapons), opportunity (the mob -- including Babbitt) were successfully breaking through the windows and doors (with Babbitt getting through), jeopardy (members of Congress and the Vice President were until immanent threat) were all present.

As an individual, maybe and maybe not. She was ex-military AND was carrying a backpack with unknown contents. She would have not been the only one to go through that window if she had not been met with deadly force.

Only because she was shot.

All of the Capitol Police officers were in danger of losing their lives.

 

I don't condone murder since Babbitt's death was not murder.

SNIP

 

Can’t say I disagree with the smell of it all. Lots of unanswered questions. Lots of video not released. Clearly politicized to hurt Trump.

But, I side with LEO unless or until evidence shows otherwise.

peace to you