People who don’t want the vaccine aren’t refusing it

You must be wrong. Faucci now says asymptomatic can spread Covid.

 

SOS, Jon is in distress. He needs backup ASAP!

 

I have seen studies that compare 3 months post infection to 3 months post vax. Post infected had higher T cell. Significantly higher killer T cell. Close to same number helper T.

 

Yes, I've heard that one ( and others like it ) before, and seen it written many times.
To me, the problem is that I see it being an example of "chance", and not true faith, and I don't think that it applies in this situation.

Instead, why don't we as believers use the stories of faith ( Hebrews 1 and many others ) that He has given to us in His word to take comfort in?

In the case of this present pandemic ( and there will be more before the Lord Jesus comes again, you can count on it ),
we as Christians do not absolutely need man's vaccines to keep us healthy, nor do we take our hope from entities like the CDC, the government or the medical professionals,
and we definitely do not take our hope from companies that make millions of dollars off selling doses of vaccines.

We have Him to take care of us.

We have a God-designed immune system that He has provided, plus faith in His promises and power to carry us through to the end of our earthly lives.
We have a Heavenly Father who saved us out of this world and to Himself...

and the least we could do in the light of all of that, is to trust Him and His power over and above the unproven ( and often untrustworthy ) methods of men who do not trust Him.
Science has always been a millions steps behind the Lord, Jon....
It's gimped by the fact that the best that it can do is to react and to learn, and it doesn't even do a very good job at that.


What's worse is,
It does not trust in anything but itself.

 

@JonC ,
I'm not a professional scientist,
but I am someone who has spent the last 40-45 years, since I was a child, looking with wonder ( and growing sobriety ) at God's creation.
I'm someone who has understood it in the context of His words, and realized that there are indeed people who do not trust the Lord and are trying with all their might to overcome the inevitable....

Death.

No matter what mankind does, His will is going to be done ( Daniel 4:35 ).
Please take to heart the words of Job, Solomon, and the Psalmists.
They saw much of it and were inspired of Him to write about it it for our learning.

Our days as men on this earth are numbered and are in His hands, no matter how much we, as a race, might try to change the outcome of what He has determined upon all of us.
No amount of chasing illnesses with vaccines, bodily exercise or worrying about every little thing that affects us in the here and now, will ever stave off the end;
No matter how hard we as a race, try to extend our lives or "beat the odds", we will. not. win.
It's a lesson in futility, my friend.

Incidentally, faith in God and His words is what taught me that, not "fatalism".
Again, as believers in Jesus Christ we have our Hope, and it's not science and medicine.

Perhaps the story of the woman with the issue of blood in Matthew 20:20-22 applies much more, in our case:

" And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:
21 for she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.
22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour."

 

To the OP:

We as believers in Jesus Christ have been given all that we need that pertains to life and godliness in the Person of God's Son.
We really should be looking to the Lord and to Him alone for our every need.
After all,
He tells us to do that very thing in Matthew 5, Matthew 6 and Matthew 7 ( and in many other places, like Proverbs 3 ).


This will be my final reply in this thread.

Some people who don't want the vaccines are not refusing them just to refuse them...
they are choosing to trust the Lord with all that they have and with all that they are.

If that makes those of us who do so, "fools", then I'd rather be that kind of "fool" ( one who trusts the Lord ), than the one who does not...and finds out, in the end, that all of their trust in fallen men was misplaced.

At the same time, vaccines can be good things...
but again, our reliance upon them should never take the place of our reliance upon the Lord.


May God bless you all.

 

I think you missed his point entirely.

 

I know where you talking about. Been there, but forgot the name. Dick's Creek?

 

I have hiked it a few times. I went completely down to the water and back up to the top 8 weeks post ACL reconstruction. I paid for that for a few days.

 

I went to school at WCU. Spent a bunch of time in Franklin, NC just north of Mountain City, GA. Incidentally I now live near Mountain City, TN. You oughta check out Panthertown Valley in Cashiers. Great waterfalls and views. I hiked a couple miles there at 11pm one night to do some talking with the Lord. If you're brave, you can do what us hillbillies do and swim in the 50 degree spring water .

Onto the main subject. As far as the vaccines go, there needs to be an independent study done by Pro-Covid-Vax proponents and Anti-Covid-Vax opponents teamed up that shows what the percentage is of healthy people taking the vaccine and experiencing side effects such as fluid buildup around the heart, or shortness of breath.

Then the results need to be compared with COVID survival rates for those under 50. The CDC telling us that there's a "slight" chance of side effects means doodly squat because for us young 'uns there's also a "slight" chance of death from COVID, so it's a wash at best.

 

When I say independent, I just mean not associated at all with the CDC, or with the corps who made the vaccines. No conflicts of interest. People who are critical thinkers and open minded and who deal in good faith from both sides. I think that's really the only way to convince those of us that are skeptics.

Those in the Evangelical community who support outright mandates are forcing millions upon millions of their brethren to choose between violating their conscience or not being able to feed their family. That is a sinful, evil and despicable choice, that if implemented will cause me to no longer trust any Brother or Sister in Christ who supported such evil. I can't even fathom someone being a Christian and supporting that.

My wife and I often discuss her getting the vaccine because she has a couple comorbidities that mean she is at a higher risk of death from COVID even though we're very young. Yet we hesitate to get her vaccinated because nobody that we trust has given, nor can give, an honest breakdown of vaccine data because the big tech monopolies use their bully pulpit to shut down honest discussion. It's downright evil and authoritarian.