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Tucker Carlson: How many Americans have died after taking the COVID vaccine?

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  1. Revmitchell

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    The data we just cited come from the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System — VAERS — which is managed by the CDC and the FDA. VARES has received a lot of criticism over the years, some of it founded. Some critics have argued for a long time that VARES undercounts vaccine injuries. A report submitted to the Department of Health and Human Services in 2010 concluded that "fewer than one percent of vaccine adverse events are reported" by the VARES system. Fewer than one percent. So what is the real number of people who apparently have been killed or injured by the vaccine? Well, we don’t know that number. Nobody does, and we’re not going to speculate about it. But it’s clear that what is happening now, for whatever reason, is not even close to normal. It’s not even close to what we’ve seen in previous years with previous vaccines.

    Most vaccines are not accused of killing large numbers of people. The Menveo vaccine, for example, is given to people around the world, often children, to prevent bacterial meningitis. In this country, only one person died from that vaccine in the entire period between 2010 and 2015. One. So, compare that to what’s happening now. In just the first four months of this year, the U.S. government has recorded more deaths after COVID vaccinations than from all other vaccines administered in the United States between mid-1997 and the end of 2013. That’s a period of fifteen and a half years. Again, more people, according to VAERS, have died after getting the shot in four months during a single vaccination campaign than from all other vaccines combined over more than a decade and a half. Chart that out. It’s a stunning picture. Now, the debate is over what it means. Again, there’s a lot of criticism of the reporting system. Some people say "well, it’s just a coincidence that someone gets the shot and then dies, possibly from other causes." No one really knows, is the truth. We spoke to one physician today who actively treats COVID patients. He described what we’re seeing now as the single deadliest mass-vaccination event in modern history. Whatever is causing it, it is happening as we speak. So you’d think someone in authority might want to know what’s going on.



    Tucker Carlson: How many Americans have died after taking the COVID vaccine?
     
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    None Rev. Not one has died. The vaccine is totally safe. Or so they say.
     
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    The problem is that VAERS does not report vaccine deaths. They report conditions that occurred post vaccine but do not connect the condition to any cause.

    This is why you will see hangovers and alcoholism listed post Pfizer vaccine.

    This information is also on the VAERS site and to enter the data one acknowledges that VAERS does not determine causality.

    A 98 year old woman vacvinated in December but dies of a staff infection in July will be listed in VAERS. We need to keep in mind vaccines started with the elderly and immunocompromised population.
     
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    And they will attempt to censor anyone who says different.
     
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    VAERS reports 8,164 post covid vacvine deaths (0.0021% of those vaccinated) but does not link these deaths to a cause (anymore than a hangover or alcoholism was caused by a vaccine).

    It is misleading (fake news) to claim this number of deaths is related to any of the vaccines. That said, I'm sure some probably are.

    Per the anti-covid-vaccine group, even if those deaths were related to just one vaccine (the amount is really 3 vaccines combined) this is a risk that is considered safe (based on the chance of dying of covid at 1% to 2% being considered safe).
     
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    You're not likely to die by jabbing any random needle into your arm. You're also likely to gain some immunity as a result (depending on what contaminant happens to be on it). If you want, I can place you an order for a whole batch of sewing needles. If you respond in the next five minutes I'll throw in a Viking rat pincushion for free.
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    Do you believe covid is such a risk people need to be vaccinated? Why or why not?

    Edit: (Ps....you owe me a pin cushion).
     
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    It’s disinformation to claim that we know all there is to know about the vaccine and we can have confidence that the long term effects are knowable at this time.

    it’s disinformation to claim that people should not have any reservations about the vaccine.

    it’s disinformation to claim that people who choose not to get the vaccine are endangering others. As well as propaganda
     
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    This is the illogical part of the argument here-

    IF you believe that covid at 1% to 2% chance of death is not enough of a risk to be dangerous then you cannot believe post-vaccine deaths at .002% (over all 3 vaccines and not connected to the vaccines) is a substantial risk.

    IF you believe covid is a substantial risk then the risk of a vaccine (one vaccine....substantially less than a .002% risk) is justified.

    The anti-covid-vaxers have no logical argument. They are just afraid. They are afraid of covid. They are afraid of vaccines.

    Most of all they are afraid of the future. They know, as we all do, that covid may do damage that will manifest itself years from now. They are afraid of the unknown. Afraid of the consequences covid could bring. Afraid the vaccine could somehow (despite decades of science and over a year of vaccine use) have a negative effect in some distant future.
     
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    Yep and that is logical. What is illogical is the widespread anti Christian and ungodly demonization of those who disagree and have concerns about the vaccine, the government and their intent, and the joy that comes from those who demonize anyone with concerns about the vaccine.
     
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    Could our left wing government use "Child Services" to take children whose parents choose not to vaccinate for Covid? Yes
    Could our left wing government deny education opportunity to children whose parents choose not to vaccinate for Covid? Yes
    Could our left wing government take your job away if you choose not to be vaccinated for Covid? You bet...

    Footnote: For the first time a member of my extended family died of Covid. And, I am told, she was unvaccinated for Covid.
     
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    Is this an actual case reported to VAERS, or, are you giving what you believe to be a typical example of VAERS reporting? If the latter, I think it’s a misleading downplaying of the issue.

    You referenced, I think in another thread, a young boy (13?) who died the next day after the vaccine.

    The government, the CDC, if impartial scientists, would have the intellectual honesty to seriously examine this. It seems even the reporting of adverse reactions has been politicized.

    peace to you
     
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    The number I see is my chance of not dying OF Covid is 99 97%.
    No common sense is being used here. The vax should only be given to extremely high risk patients.
    Take the county I live in. 3094 cases and 84 deaths.
    Sounds high. Take into account the county has 28000 people. I don't know anyone who has not had Covid or is 90% sure they have had it. The numbers of who has had it are low. The number of Covid deaths are inflated. Most were died with, not of Covid.
     
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    common sense, only logical, also I believe natural immunity after having covid is being down played. As long as they do that I will not trust them
     
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    Seeing I am a lab tech who has seen the effects of COVID and spent eight nights in the hospital I work at(six of them in ICU) I can say I highly recommend ppl getting the vaccine(s). We have had 3-4 ppl die with/or by COVID the last few days. AFAIK, none of them had been vaccinated. We have a six bed ICU(we are a smaller hospital that has ~ 90 beds but are staying in the 40’s-50’s right now, with 21 COVID patients as of Thursday morning) and we have five ICU beds with patients on vents, with one being non-COVID related, the other four are.

    I drew blood from a 23 year old girl Wednesday night who was having COVID complications. She had gotten it last year and was reinfected recently, with her telling me this time it is worse. She also told me she hadn’t gotten the vaccines, either. Another gentleman age 37 came to the ER a little over a month ago. He and his wife had just came back from Florida on a Tuesday, tested positive Thursday, he was hospitalized for over a month, and spent 10-14 days on the vent. Other than finding out the night he came to the ER that he was a diabetic, he was healthy.

    I was told a family of an ~ 2 year old child, her mother and grandmother all died from COVID. The person who told me this has been caught in some lies, so take that with a grain of salt until I can confirm this is true or not.


    Ppl have EVERY RIGHT to take it or not, and they should NEVER be forced to take these vaccines. But I see them as armor. It doesn’t guarantee they won’t die in battle, but increases their chances they will survive.
     
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    I don’t know that it increases anyone’s chance for survival. I’ve not seen any reliable data. Too many concerns are being demonized. That smacks of a disengenuous agenda. Call people evil, foolish, selfish, or any other pejorative only makes people with concerns over the vaccine dig in and not trust the intentions of those who do it. It’s ungodly as well
     
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    Even if you survived it, why risk getting it? It took me around two months to get over it and other than being 60-70 pounds overweight(I’ve lost ~ 30 lbs in the last few months, but I’m starting to munch too much again :Cautious), I was perfectly healthy. I still have some shortness of breath, and I can’t help but think my lungs have been scarred by it. I am thing of getting a CT done to find out. I got it before the vaccines were made available, FYI.

    So just because you stand a >99% of surviving COVID, it can drag you down and keep you down for a long time. I never felt such weakness in my life.
     
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    This is false, but let's pretend it is correct.

    You have a .03% chance of dying. That is so minimal it does not matter. You also have less than a .002% chance of dying after taking a vacvine (from any cause, all vaccines combined). That is even more minimal.

    You have issued warnings about three vaccines because .002% have died sometimes after one of three vaccines without death being linked (in all cases) to a vaccine. Yet you dismiss a supposedly .03% chance of death by covid.

    This does not make sense.
     
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    What is false about it?
     
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    In general there is a 2 4% chance of getting covid and a .05% chance of dying of covid.

    This combines everybody, vaccinated or not. An unvaccinated person is 11% to 15% more likely to die of covid should they contract the virus.

    The numbers also ignore personal data. They include 0% for children under 4 years old and the 16% for those above 90.

    A 60 year old male is more likely to die of covid than in a car accident. But the IFR is close to zero for those 15 to 40.

    People manuplate data (on both sides) to sound good.
     
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