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Featured Calvinism and John 3:16

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Salty, Jun 27, 2022.

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    Only if Christ died for one to believe He died for one's sins is there even any good news to believe. Without that to be belived there is no gospel. Isaiah 1:18.
     
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    if a sinner does not repent from their sins and believe in Jesus Christ as their Saviour and Lord, they cannot be born from God!
     
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    John 3:16-18 DESTROYS that argument, in Jesus' own words. Calvinsim perverts this for their "theology"!
     
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    Man does.
     
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    You sure do think man has a lot of power then....
     
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    Why do you hyperfocus on three verses that don't even truly address the extent of the atonement directly?
     
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    Of course. And I also believe God saved, it wasn't just a potential to save. Those who are not elect will never believe anyway. They don't want to. So there is no issue here that you try to create.
     
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    No. God's word is alive. Hebrews 4:12.
     
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    in #2 I have shown that the Calvinistic twist of these verses, are pure fiction. the Bible is clear that

    1 God GREATLY LOVES the entire human race

    2 desires that EVERYONE WITHOUT EXCEPTION, were born again

    AMEN!
     
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    God is driving the boat …

    Romans 8:28-30 [NASB95]
    28 And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to [His] purpose.
    • One group: those who love God are called according to His purpose.
    29 For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined [to become] conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; 30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.
    • He keeps doing all the doing.

    So Christ died for those that God wanted Him to die.
    (I try to listen to what HE says without telling God who He died for. So I tread lighter than some on “Limited Atonement”, but still acknowledge the evidence that supports it.)
     
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    Except Esau. ;)
     
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    Wow, That is no place in the gospel of John or Romans. Ouch not there!
     
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    It is man who denies the redemption to be believed in order to be saved. Romans 1:16, Romans 5:8.
     
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    1. Correct.
    2. No.
     
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    And you bring up Romans again who was written to PEOPLE WHO WERE ALREADY BELIEVERS.
     
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    ". . . For many are called, but few are chosen. . . ." God calls more than He elects. Mark 10:45, Christ died for the many.
     
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    Last time I checked many does not equal all.
     
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    So? Matthew 4:4 Romans does not apply?
     
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    Indeed, with man it is impossible. But...with God...all things are possible.
    Humans cannot save themselves because they will not ever seek God or repent...until God makes them alive.
     
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    The few elect are still less than the many that Christ died for. Matthew 22:14. Mark 10:45.

    What is the gospel that you believe one is to hear to believe? Re: Romans 1:16.
     
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