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Each of the points Calvinism have some kind Scriptural support.

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by 37818, Dec 4, 2022.

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  1. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

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    Those who hold to a Calvinist view ought to be able to positively present their view. And not merely the 5 points.

    Long rants and whole chunks Scripture may prove meaningless to those who have not understood any Calvinist view.

    Key foundational points need to be laid down first and understood.
     
  2. Alan Gross

    Alan Gross Well-Known Member

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    Awareness of Total Depravity must be first understood
    and hopefully Salvation as a result, of being Saved
    by the Death, Burial, and Resurrection of Jesus may follow.

    Total Depravity must be first understood
    before Salvation with Assurance may be apprehended,
    much less the other 4 points themselves.

    Try it. It will return great rewards.

    The Glorious awareness of The Triune Godhead's
    Eternal Plan of Salvation in The Doctrines of Grace*
    may then lead to the remaining 100 or 200+ Doctrines**
    encompassing The Manifold Wisdom and Whole Counsel of God
    ( a hundred of the Doctrinal Divinity ones are here.)

    Together they are the Faith once delivered to the saints.

    Jude 1:3

    “Beloved, when I gave all diligence
    to write unto you of the common salvation,
    it was needful for me to write unto you,
    and exhort you that ye should earnestly
    contend for the faith
    which was once delivered unto the saints.”

    *see the extensive introduction.

    **you will want to eventually learn to appreciate such "things of God" as:

    BOOK II.

    OF THE ACTS AND WORKS OF GOD

    Of the Internal Acts of God, and of his Decrees in general † Of the Special Decrees of God, particularly of Election † Of the Rejection of some Angels and some Men † Of the Union of the Elect to God † Of Adoption as an Immanent Act † Of the Everlasting Council † Of the Everlasting Covenant of Grace † Of the Part the Father took in the Covenant † Of the Part the Son of God took in the Covenant † Of Christ as the Covenant Head of the Elect † Of Christ the Surety of the Covenant † Of the Love of God † Of Christ the Testator of the Covenant † Of the Concern the Spirit has in the Covenant † Of the Properties of the Covenant † Of the Complacency and Delight the Divine Persons had in each other from everlasting

    ~~~~~~

    BOOK III.
    OF THE EXTERNAL WORKS OF GOD

    Of Creation in General † Of the Creation of Angels † Of the Creation of Man † Of the Providence of God †
    Of the Confirmation of the Elect Angels, Of the Fall of the Non-elect Angels † Of the Honour and Happiness of Man in Innocence †
    Of the Law given to Adam, and Covenant with him † Of the Sin and Fall of our First Parents †
    Of the Nature, Aggravations, and sad Effects of the Sin of Man † Of the Imputation of Adam's Sin to all his Posterity †
    Of the Corruption of Human Nature † Of Actual Sins and Transgressions † Of the Punishment of Sin

    ~~~~~~

    BOOK IV.
    OF THE ACTS OF THE GRACE OF GOD TOWARDS AND UPON HIS ELECT IN TIME.

    Of the Manifestation and Administration of the Covenant of Grace † Of the Covenant of Grace in the Patriarchal State †
    Of the Covenant of Grace under the Mosaic Dispensation † Of the Covenant of Grace in the Times of David and the Prophets †
    Of the Abrogation of the Old Covenant † Of the Law of God † Of the Gospel

    ~~~~~~

    BOOK V.
    OF THE GRACE OF CHRIST IN HIS STATES OF HUMILIATION AND EXALTATION, AND IN THE OFFICES EXERCISED BY HIM IN THEM.

    Of the Incarnation of Christ † Of Christ's State of Humiliation † Of the Active Obedience of Christ †
    Of the Passive Obedience of Christ † Of the Burial of Christ † Of the Resurrection of Christ †
    Of the Ascension of Christ † Of the Session of Christ at the Right Hand of God † Of the Prophetic Office of Christ †
    Of the Priestly Office of Christ † Of the Intercession of Christ † Of Christ's Blessing his People as a Priest †
    Of the Kingly Office of Christ † Of the Spiritual Reign of Christ

    ~~~~~~

    BOOK VI.
    OF THE BLESSINGS OF GRACE, AND THE DOCTRINES OF IT.

    Of Redemption by Christ † Of the Causes of Redemption † Of the Objects of Redemption †
    Of Scriptures favoring Universal Redemption † Of the Satisfaction of Christ †
    Of Propitiation, Atonement, and Reconciliation † Of Pardon of Sin † Of Justification † Of Adoption †
    Of the Liberty of the Sons of God † Of Regeneration † Of Effectual Calling † Of Conversion † Of Sanctification †
    Of the Perseverance of the Saints

    ~~~~~~
    No goofy Satanic sidetracks in the flesh allowed.

    ...

    Five Doctrines of Divine Grace

    Who gets the credit for the salvation of the soul?

    *~ The Question of Man’s Will

    We all have sufficient power to come to Christ by a choice of our own free will.
    or
    “No man can come to me except the Father, which sent me, draw him.”
    John 6:44 ~

    *~ The Question of Election

    God chose me because He foresaw that we would choose Him.
    or
    “You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.” John 15:16 ~

    *~ The Question of Atonement

    Christ died to render all men savable.
    or
    “I lay down my life for the sheep.” John 10:15 ~

    *~ The Question of Determining Causes

    God draws all men equally; the ultimate decision is ours
    or
    “All that the Father gives me shall come to me.
    Unto them which are the called [the gospel is] the power of God.”

    John 6:37; Romans 1:16 ~

    *~ The Question of Final Results

    We may keep ourselves in salvation by holy living.
    or
    “We are kept by the power of God through faith.
    No man can puck them out of my hand.”
    1 Peter 1:5; John 10:28 ~*~

    “For you see your calling, brethren,
    how that not many wise man after the flesh,
    not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

    But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world
    to confound the wise;

    and God hath chosen the weak things of the world
    to confound the things which are mighty;

    And base things of the world, and things which are despised,
    that God chosen, yea, and things which are not,
    to bring to nought things that are:

    That no flesh should glory in his presence.
    But of him are ye in Christ Jesus,
    who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness,
    and sanctification, and redemption:

    That, according as it is written, He that glorieth,
    let him glory in the Lord.”


    1 Corinthians 1:26-31
     
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    2Tim.2:26 (NKJ)

    25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,

    26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

    Acts.13:48 (NKJ)

    48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as miany as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

    John.6:40 (NKJ)

    35 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.

    36 "But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

    37 "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.

    38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.

    39 "This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

    40 "And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

    1Cor.12:3 (NKJ)

    3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

    ( noone can or will say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit, or that Jesus is The Lord of Salvation, i.e., " Salvation is of The Lord".)

    Jn.10:27 - Jn.10:30 (NKJ)

    27 "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

    28 "And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

    29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.

    30 "I and My Father are one."
     
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    Agreed. But irregular Christianity does not and has not correctly undersood the significance of the divine knowledge of good and evil in the cause of mankind's sinful nature. Genesis 3:22.
     
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    Just so we are clear. Your view is irregular Christianity. Orthodox Christianity disagrees with you.
     
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    Tell us what you don't understand aand \i'm sure someone will try and help you.
     
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