1. Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

I guess Cheney does not trust voters

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Salty, Dec 26, 2022.

  1. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,982
    Likes Received:
    2,615
    Faith:
    Baptist
    At the final public meeting of the House Jan. 6 committee, Rep. Liz Cheney, one of two Republicans on the committee, said the evidence shows law enforcement officers "saved lives and our democracy" that day, and that Donald Trump proved "he is unfit to hold any office."

    Why not leave it up to the voters, LIZ!!!
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  2. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,982
    Likes Received:
    2,615
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Or did you like the way voters in Wyoming voted in the R primary??????
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  3. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,943
    Likes Received:
    1,661
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Cheney misled the country during the hearings. She hates Trump and instead of attempting to get the facts, she manipulated the facts, withheld information, and presented statements concerning Trumps actions that day with the secret service that secret service agents that were with him had already testified never happened.

    It was a “Star Chamber”, unworthy to be mentioned. She will quickly fade from public view and become a high paid lobbyist for the defense industry, while considering herself a martyr for attempting to keep Trump from re-election, even by deception because she doesn’t believe, like every other elite, the American people are smart enough to chose the right people.

    peace to you
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. RighteousnessTemperance&

    RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2017
    Messages:
    7,359
    Likes Received:
    1,464
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Her statement sounds a bit melodramatic, but consider the gist it. Trump is unfit to carry out the duties of any Dem-RINO office, as their democracy is a Dem-RINO one, and definitely not the constitutional republic framed in COTUS.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  5. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,720
    Likes Received:
    781
    Faith:
    Baptist
    She cannot have an opinion that differs from yours?

    In her mind (and also the minds of millions of others who have seen the evidence), Trump is unfit for office because of the 14th Amendment.

    The rule of law should play a part. If Trump is not convicted, it will be up to the voters.
     
  6. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,720
    Likes Received:
    781
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Just a question... Have you reviewed the SWORN testimony, or only "media reports" of statements NOT under oath that contradicted Hutchinson's SWORN testimony recounting that she was told?

    If you haven't reviewed the January 6th testimony and evidence, then you have little basis to make grand claims. You can certainly dismiss it all, out of hand, but that doesn't say great things about your interest in seeking truth.
     
  7. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,982
    Likes Received:
    2,615
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Of course - she can have her own opinion
    But is she afraid that Americans will vote Trump back in?

    Let the Americans decide - both Republicans (in the primary) and the general public decide in Nov 2024

    Same principal here in NY - the then Governer push thur a law that basically does away with most third parties.
    Now, I disagree with many of those parties - but I say let the voters decide!
     
  8. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,943
    Likes Received:
    1,661
    Faith:
    Baptist
    First, Hutchinson’s testimony was second hand hearsay. Chaney should have called the agents involved to testify if she really wanted to find the truth. She didn’t.

    She also pretended to refute Trump’s claim he offered national guard troops to Pelosi and the Mayor of DC for security prior to j6 by saying he never ordered troops to DC.

    She knows he is prevented by law from sending national guard troops unless they are requested. She was being deliberately misleading. Can anyone say “misinformation”?

    She also played portions of his j6 speech but deliberately left out him saying to “peacefully and patriotically protest. Can anyone say “biased”? “Misleading”?

    I’m glad she’s gone.

    peace to you
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. RighteousnessTemperance&

    RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2017
    Messages:
    7,359
    Likes Received:
    1,464
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Come on, man. The Dem Progressive Left and their RINOs care nothing for rule of law, except as a weapon against those who would stand in the way of their totalitarian agenda. Obama would have been impeached. Hillary would have been disqualified from running for office and not even able to vote. Ditto for Biden. It’s doubtful any Dem would be left standing, except in a prison cell.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
  10. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,720
    Likes Received:
    781
    Faith:
    Baptist
    She reported on something told to her. While it would likely not be admissible in court, the HEARING was a report of an investigation, not a trial.

    The fact that you didn't know that the Committee (including Cheney) did follow up with agents under oath just underlines how ignorant you are of the facts and work of the Committee. You are making false statements and therefore, drawing false conclusions, based on ignorance.

    Where is the evidence Trump offered troops? As for as I know, all we have is Trump's word that he offered troops, although he can't seem to keep his story straight. We also know that on January 6th, Trump did not call up troops. Pence had to do it.

    That's completely false.

    "Misinformation." You are soaking in it.

    (1) Because he said that once, but the thrust of his speech -- and the speeches of all the other speakers -- was focused on violence (aka "trial by combat" according to Rudy Giuliani); and (2) there is substantial evidence that the attack on the Capitol was planned and organized by Trump and his associates.

    I can say both of those words. But since your "facts" are actually not facts, you are the one presenting biased and misleading opinions. It's time to free yourself of misinformation.

    There's a detailed report from the Committee (more than 800 pages) plus extensive transcripts of testimony available to the public. The transcripts have been released over the past two weeks on so as the redactions are completed. You can find them in the Media section of the January 6th Committee website.
     
  11. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,720
    Likes Received:
    781
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So I point out the 14th Amendment to the Constitution as a reason for Trump to be prevented from running again, and you ignore that and want voters to decide... Do you not care about the Constitution? Aren't you former military? Didn't you swear an oath to defend the Constitution or have you changed your mind when it comes to Trump?
     
  12. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    15,886
    Likes Received:
    1,236
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Post # in this thread or please restate your reason and evidence for this being your opinion.
     
  13. canadyjd

    canadyjd Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2005
    Messages:
    12,943
    Likes Received:
    1,661
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The man Hutchinson claimed told her Trump assaulted a secret servant agent, then attempted to take control of a vehicle to lead the riot at the capitol, stated he never said it, and offered to testify so Cheney could get to the truth. She refused to allow that testimony in public demonstrating her bias and deception.

    If there was evidence, as you claim, that Trump planned the riot, that info would have come out. Instead, we get bias, misinformation, false accusations from the Trump haters inside and outside DC.

    Bottom line, Cheney lied to and misled the American people concerning j6. She has no credibility, and the voters held her accountable for her lies and deception.

    The good news is her political career is over. The bad news is she will make millions as a lobbyist for the defense industry.

    peace to you
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. RighteousnessTemperance&

    RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2017
    Messages:
    7,359
    Likes Received:
    1,464
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The Alt Left, aka Dem Progressive Left, as represented by Schumer, Pelosi, and others, has two diametrically opposed narratives regarding J6.

    On the one hand, they were deathly afraid of Trump troops being deployed at the Capitol, because they could be used to effect an insurrection.

    On the other, they are incensed that Trump troops were not deployed right away on J6, because they were needed to prevent an insurrection.

    The Dem Progressive Left are liars and deceivers enabled and furthered by their massive corporate media propaganda voice.

    They are rather obvious, but they are also very loud, and even some good people believe them. Its good to be good, but be better and quit believing their deception.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  15. Baptist Believer

    Baptist Believer Well-Known Member
    Site Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2002
    Messages:
    10,720
    Likes Received:
    781
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Post #5. (Seriously, you couldn't just scroll up and find it?)

    Because the 14th Amendment states (in part):

    Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    It amazes me that so many around here make claims about the Constitution, but don't seem to know much about it or how to find the relevant portion.
     
  16. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,982
    Likes Received:
    2,615
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Actually, all you need to do is to click on the arrow after the name (at the top) in the quote- in this case "37818"
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  17. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    15,886
    Likes Received:
    1,236
    Faith:
    Baptist
    Based on what evidence? Mere accusations?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  18. 37818

    37818 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 23, 2018
    Messages:
    15,886
    Likes Received:
    1,236
    Faith:
    Baptist
    So do you agree Trump cannot run for office again because he violated the 14th amendment?
     
  19. Salty

    Salty 20,000 Posts Club
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2003
    Messages:
    38,982
    Likes Received:
    2,615
    Faith:
    Baptist
    For that to happen - it would take 2/3's of Congress
    That would take:
    290 Congressmen
    &
    67 Senators

    Will not happen
     
  20. RighteousnessTemperance&

    RighteousnessTemperance& Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2017
    Messages:
    7,359
    Likes Received:
    1,464
    Faith:
    Baptist
    The ridiculous arrogance of that post is far more amazing, especially given its foundational void.

    There was nothing in 37’s post to suggest he doesn’t know what the 14th amendment states, and nothing in post #5 that makes a case against Trump.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
Loading...