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Featured Christocentric Theology (New Covenant Theology): The Big Nothing Burger

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by AustinC, May 5, 2023.

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  1. AustinC

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    Over the past few years, the Faith Pulpit has alerted its readers to some aberrant theological movements and positions, e.g., the Emerging Church, the New Perspective on Paul, and the Redemptive-Movement Hermeneutic. These views may seem obscure at first, but they eventually make their way into the life and practice of a church. Several elements of the Emerging Church movement are already showing up in churches outside that movement. This issue of the Faith Pulpit examines another doctrinal issue that pastors and church leaders should be aware of. Tim Little, adjunct professor at Faith Baptist Theological Seminary, describes and evaluates New Covenant Theology to help us understand another movement that is poised to impact churches in the near future.

    New Covenant Theology (NCT) is a rather new theological movement.1 Its proponents come from the local church rather than academia, and the majority of its adherents are found within the local church. Its proponents include Tom Wells, Fred Zaspel, John Reisinger, and Steve Lehrer.

    Some people within the movement have reacted against Dispensationalism or Covenant Theology, and sometimes both. John Reisinger writes, “As New Covenant Theologians, we believe that historic Dispensationalism, as a system, is not biblical. . . . We are also convinced that Covenant Theology, as a system, is just as unscriptural.”2

    Several of its proponents come out of a Reformed Baptist position, abandoning the tripartite division of the law (moral, civil, and ceremonial), infant baptism, and the historic covenants of works and grace. While they abandon these aspects of Reformed theology, most also reject dispensational distinctives, such as the distinction between Israel and the church and dispensational hermeneutics.

    One of the bulwarks of NCT is its hermeneutics. NCT has admonished theologians to look beyond their presuppositions, analyze the text exegetically, and craft their theology around their exegesis.3

    What distinguishes New Covenant Theology from these other movements? A key component is its primary hermeneutical principle, which they call the “logical priority of the New Testament over the Old Testament.”4 If we understand this aspect of New Covenant Theology, we will have a good grasp of the movement and how it approaches the Bible (their hermeneutics).

    What Is New Covenant Theology? - Faith Baptist Bible College
     
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    The New Covenant
    While NCT proponents state that the NT does not contradict the OT, that is exactly what transpires. In Jeremiah 31:31 God states explicitly that the New Covenant is “with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah.” Steve Lehrer comments, “If you read the verses that surround this text . . . , it is crystal clear that this New Covenant, in its Old Testament context, is promised to the geo-political nation of Israel at some point in the future.”16

    Later Lehrer writes, “The Israelites would have read Jeremiah 31 and thought that the New Covenant restoration was exclusively for them. But when God interprets His own word He tells us that this is simply not the case.”17 Lehrer understands Jeremiah 31 in light of the New Testament, and he understands the New Testament to teach that the church is the recipient of the New Covenant. How is one to understand Jeremiah? NCT proponents say the answer is figuratively, symbolically, or in Lehrer’s words, typologically. He “understands Israel to be an unbelieving type or picture of the true people of God, the church. . . . Israel never was a believing people as a whole. Israel always had a tiny remnant of true believers in her midst. Israel was not the church in the Old Testament, but they did function as a type or picture of the church-the true people of God.”18

    According to Lehrer, the reference to “the house of Israel and the house of Judah” in Jeremiah 31 then refers to the church typologically. He abandons the grammatical and historical hermeneutic. Such an approach is not true progressive revelation. It is simply the extension of NCT’s presupposition of the logical priority of the New Testament.

    NCT proponents criticize Dispensationalism and Covenant Theology “because [their] basic presuppositions are either assumed or wrongly deduced from their theological system.”20 Yet as we have seen, New Covenant Theology is guilty of the very same premise because it approaches the text, particularly the Old Testament, with the faulty presupposition of the logical priority of the New Testament.

    What Is New Covenant Theology? - Faith Baptist Bible College
     
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    So.....you disagree with New Covenant Theology but it is far from the nothing you once thought it was.

    I am glad you learned something through this dialogue.

    The majority of Christian scholars disagree with Covenant Theology and identify their primary "covenants" as unbiblical.

    But it would be silly to call Covenant Theology "nothing".
     
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    I need to add something about these frameworks being "new".

    Covenant Theology is "new" in that it is not the same as expressed long ago. They look back and rightly determine it existed in some form in the Roman Catholic Church (but it was not exactly the same). Owen didn't even hold modern Covenant Theology (he differed in the covenant of redemption, for one).

    Dispensationalism is "new" as it is not exactly the same as it was in the 13th Century.

    New Covenant Theology is "new" as it is not exactly as it was in the early 17th century.

    These are all relatively new ways of reading Scripture. That is not a bad thing.

    The difference with NCT is that it was my developed in academia. It was developed in churches reading through Scripture (not speculating on what God was thinking, but focusing on what was written in the Bible).
     
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    How can those be legitimate criticisms of any Christian theology or its hermeneutics?
     
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    I was thinking the same thing.

    That is something I like about New Covenant Theology.

    Too many churches have relied on academic scholars to tell them how to read the Bible. But the Bible was written to people in general, not to the academia.

    It is very interesting that churches who simply read the Bible came up with different conclusions than academic scholars. And @AustinC identified the reason.

    NCT simply views the Old Covenant as fulfilled in the New Covenant and all of Scripture pointing to Christ. They do not presuppose "covenants" that are not actually in the Bible - much less view those presuppositions as primary covenants through which we interpret the rest.
     
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    Scholars are not a monolithic group; they don’t even all have the same specialty. What I want from them is scholarship, that is, technical details that I might not otherwise know.

    When they offer hypotheses and develop those into conclusions, I want to know the details of that development, and what others know of it. Perhaps I will agree, or accept their views as possibilities.

    If they consider their reasoning beyond challenge, then they should be held in contempt. A real scholar will present his reasoning, demonstrate it as sound, or admit he has overlooked something.
     
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    One thing I have noticed over these past few decades is a small group of Reformed members who simply do not want other members to post views contrary to their own.

    For some reason if a member tries to explain any view other than Calvinism they do their best to shut down any communication before it begins.

    But if you notice, they never actually address or engage with the views they seem to oppose. They simply try to overshadow any dialogue by repeatedly posting their views, by insulting the view they do not actually engage, by insulting people who hold different views, and by ganging up on anybody who dare have an understanding other than their own.

    This leads me to the conclusion these members do not understand Christian Theology (they understand Reformed Theology, but not Christian Theology as a whole). That is the reason, I believe, that they cannot tolerate the presence of any view but their own.

    I back this up with this (and a previous) thread concerning New Covenant Theology.

    What critique has @AustinC offered? There are not as many published NCT theologies. So? There is not as many scholars holding that view. So (there are also not as many Covenant Theology scholars as there are Dispensationalism scholars)?

    What is missing? @AustinC has challenged NCT without actually dealing with ANY of NCT.

    Now, this is not how all Reformed members conduct themselves. But it is how a few of the loudest conduct their selves. They simply want to remain ignorant and talk others into doing the same.

    A very different picture would be a Reformed Baptist understanding NCT and explaining his or her points of disagreement. That is edification. But it requires a mutual understanding that a few Reformed members find threatening.
     
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    So what do you believe Christian disagree with?
     
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    A number of details. Are all Christians of the same sect or denomination?

    1 Corinthians 1:10, ". . . Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. . . ." And this was instructions to one church.

    Verse 12, ". . . Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. . . ."
     
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    Spot on! Brains sucked out.
     
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    I’m an advocate of Primitive Baptist (old school) practice so I do not participate in Calvinism, Dispensationalism, New Covenant, Old Covenant, Reformed, Southern Baptist,Easy Believer blah, blah, blah… all the crap that distracts you from biblical truth and the creatures relationship with the God Head, The Son and the Holy Spirit.

    I also read my Bible from front to back starting with Genesis to Revelation, so what’s wrong with that?
     
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    Nothing is wrong with that. That's called "New Covenant Theology" :Biggrin.
     
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    I prefer “Radical Christianity” ;)
     
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    Calvinism's primary slogan is "sola fide" -- faith alone. The doctrine of "justification by faith alone" is the bedrock of Reformed Theology. By that phrase, they mean that sinners are justified in the sight of God only by the act of believing the gospel, not by their works. So there ya have! LOL

    No blood, no works, no Grace, … yada yada :Wink
     
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    Can one in the Godhead work without the other?... They work in unison to save even one of Gods chosen children... Without one Salvation is impossible... God the Eternal Father creator chooses, God the Eternal Son, take those who his Father gives him to save... He's Jesus Christ the Savior and God the Holy Spirit regenerates all those that The eternal Father gave his Son... Without the intervention of any sinful man... The Godhead alone saves their own... Is that radical enough?... Brother Glen:)
     
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    I think Sola Fide had Ephesians 2:8-9 in mind (Faith, not works) more than any sort of “you ain’t saved by the Blood of Christ” message since the rest of the Solas (Alone) include:
    • Scriptura (scripture)
    • Gratia (grace)
    • Christus (Christ)
    • Deo Gloria (Glory of God)
     
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    I think the radical part is Christ (we cannot know God except Him revealed in Christ). At the same time knowing Christ IS knowing God (Father, Son, and Spirit).

    It would be radical to follow the example He lay before us to walk.
     
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    By radical I mean Radex(root cause) and yes, that’s what I was driving at! Thank you
     
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