MMF - Teaching Wrong Doctrine in Song

Preacher: I say Amen and Amen to you! You hit the nail on the head! Emotions are OK, but you don't guide your life by emotions (or you'll go crazy...some have!). Emotions must remain under the control of the One who had penned, "Let all things be done decently and in order." (I Cor. 14:40)

 

Perhaps I should throw out all of my Christian cd's and stick with the secular stuff... or maybe I shouldn't be listening to music at all? That seems to be what these threads are saying. I better let my church know that people should not be saved whenever music is present. We usually sing after an invitation.

I'm upset to say the least.

Until Next Post, Adam

 

Adam, Adam. You highly misunderstood. Do you not understand that I am a full time MINISTER OF MUSIC? It would be ****** for my church to hire me if music were not important! In fact, music has a very high priority in our church; however, we don't exalt it above preaching. I also have hundreds of music CD's in my home and here at the church. I listen to music all the time. My pastor is a musical composer. He sings all the time in the building. We also sing at nearly every invitation. The choir does a Christmas cantata as well as an Easter cantata and TRIES to get the unsaved in to hear the message of the cantatas. Music has softened the hearts of otherwise hardened people to LISTEN TO THE GOSPEL IN THE PREACHING. Before the music they are closed to listening. So, Adam, dear Adam, we are NOT trashing music in all its different venues. We are just PRIORITIZING the God-ordained functions of the LOCAL CHURCH. That's all. Be encouraged, my brother. Music is MUCHO IMPORTANTE (A LITTLE SPANISH LINGO THERE). God refers to it over 800 times in the Bible in some sort of reference. Does this help you, brother? I hope so!

 

Well, I can't say I share Dr. Bob's repulsion to Ode to Joy. When taken in context it is hard to wring the message Dr. Bob got out of it.

 

Dear Daniel,

You say: "We are just PRIORITIZING the God-ordained functions of the LOCAL CHURCH"

I say: Prioritizing my foot! This has been an all out bash against Christian music that has a beat. This is very typical of what I have seen on other message boards. You first come up with an idea: Christian rock (er pebble?) music is BAD than go searching for verses to back it up whose original meaning had nothing to do with CCM.

I will continue to stand on the side of CCM- even if i have to stand alone. And its not about feeling. Its about souls. I don't know who said that they have never heard of anyone being saved at a concert- I have. Was the preaching in the music? No. It was during the devotion/invitation. I'm not advocating that we use music to preach.

Sorry to still sound upset...but I still am.

Until Next Post, Adam

 

Adam: my prior posts stand. End of discussions. Thanks.

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Say what?

You can't tell me you agree with these lyrics? That is a pernicious false Gospel. Take that to your church and check with your pastor to see if that message is preached there.

We all have rights to opinions, but this is a no-brainer. Fight me on another battlefield, okay? (Like We've a Story to Tell to the Nations is so blatantly post millenial that it befuddles me WHY we have it in our hymnal . . .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

God our Father

Rom. 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.


Christ our brother

Rom. 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Heb. 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren.


All who live in love are thine.

1 John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 John 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.


Where's the difficulty?

[ August 30, 2001: Message edited by: Aaron ]

 

've een so eeply involved in some of the other threads, so this one escaped me, but to address the original concern:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Thou are Father, Christ our Brother,
All who live in love are Thine;
Teach us how to love each other
Lift us to that Joy divine. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the person who wrote thewords was a Christian, then it looks like thi is only referring to Christians. Isn't God the Father of ALL CHristians, and Christ their "brother"? In fact, I don't know of any non-Christians who regard Christ as their "brother". (except perhaps in a very loose sense of the "brotherhood of man", and I don't see this verse as teaching that. It seems to refer to "brethren in Christ".)
Also, "all who live in love" seems to refer to scriptural definitions of true Christians, rather than some superficial wordly concept of love that one may think of.
So this verse looks pretty scriptural to me. Even if it wasn't intended as a particularly Christian expression, whoever was responsible for bringing it into the church was certainly contextualizing it (reapplying it to Christians only).

 

The Bible says that our heart is sinful and desparately wicked (Jeremiah), but alot of hymns in our hymnbooks use the phrase " Give your heart to Jesus". What do you think?

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ps104_33:
The Bible says that our heart is sinful and desparately wicked (Jeremiah), but alot of hymns in our hymnbooks use the phrase " Give your heart to Jesus". What do you think?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ezekiel 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Isaiah 60:17 For brass I will bring gold, and for iron I will bring silver, and for wood brass, and for stones iron: I will also make thy officers peace, and thine exactors righteousness.

Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

 

I love southern gospel music, but some of the songs are so wrong. Example: several months ago a SG song "Searching" by the Talley Trio was the number one song in the nation for several months. One verse of the song was " I kept searching till I found the King of Kings," this song said that a lost person just kept "searching" till they finally found the Lord. ROMANS 3:11b there is NONE that seeketh after God. I just wished that these so-called gospel groups would study the word before singing any song.

 

Aaron

Very nice reply. One thing I would emphasize though, is that it God who is the actor upon the heart, not interal to the person who might be coming. And that isn't really a good way to put it either. We can't come to God, we are brought to Him, and there is a world of difference. I know you meant that, just didn't say it. Hopefully making sense.

Jeff

 

I love southern gospel music, but some of the songs are so wrong. Example: several months ago a SG song "Searching" by the <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> Talley Trio was the number one song in the nation for several months. One verse of the song was " I kept searching till I found the King of Kings," this song said that a lost person just kept "searching" till they finally found the Lord. ROMANS 3:11b there is NONE that seeketh after God. I just wished that these so-called gospel groups would study the word before singing any song. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for that. I completely agree.

I love bluegrass music, but we [Primitive Baptists] don't use musical instruments in our services, so I guess I am bad on that point. I still prefer the old way of singing, which is unfortunately dying out. Some of these Southern gospel groups do a nice sound, but have to agree it is the doctrinal points which are ultimately important. But then again there is such a diversity of doctrinal positions in the world (and among Baptists), there is no doubt a place for this stuff out there somewhere.

BTW, I have enjoyed your postings in other places.

 

Jeff,

Aaron

 

I'm a song leader in the Primitive Baptist Church and there are three reasons to sing a song:
1. The song is to God...
2. The song is for God...
3. The song is about God...

A song may be to God but if it glorifies what we have done for God instead of what he has done for us it is doctrinally unsound and should not be sung and is no different than prayer or preaching... Just my thoughts... Brother Glen