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The Fate of the Worshipers of the Antichrist

Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Rev. Komnick, Apr 17, 2001.

  1. Missionary Steven Komnick

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    When the worshippers of the Antichrist (the people who receive the 666 Mark of the Beast) are attacked by the demonic creatures out of the bottomless pit for a period of 5 months (see Revelation Chapter 9) although the torment will be similar to that of the eternal Lake of Fire (since people will want to commit suicide to stop the intense pain but won't be able to), the major difference is that during this particular 5 months there will be light on the earth, whereas in Hell it's a place of totally black fire with no light whatsoever. http://www.geocities.com/savedbytheshedbloodofgod/best7.html?986535365030
    Rev. Steve Komnick, Missionary/School Evangelist
     
  2. Chris Temple

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    Steve:

    Do you believe that any will be in hell whom God chose in Him before the foundation of the world, that they should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined them to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will? (Eph 1:4-5)


    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rev. Steven Komnick:
    So, beloved brethren, let's just do the descent thing by keeping as many people out of Hell as possible before our opportunity for winning lost souls to the Savior is SOON (Rev. 22:7,12,20) over!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
     
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    Daniel 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

    Ye must be born again
     
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    I believe the church will be removed from the world before tribulation.

    I agree with Bro. Komnick. parts of Revelation are surely spiritual and parts are literal. I understand it is difficult to always see either or when we are looking we look too hard with the eyes of men and not rightly with the eyes of the Spirit.

    I have talked with many who say the church will be present during the tribulation, and they base this interpretation predominantly upon Rev. 3.21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

    In answer to this for consideration I would ask how do we deal with Chapter 4.

    vs. 1: "After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
    vs. 2: "And immediately I was in the spirit: and behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

    Consider the throne for a moment, for it is the throne of God. Look over into chapter 5:

    "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
    And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
    And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
    And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
    And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
    And I beheld, and lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
    And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

    The one who sat upon the throne then is God the Father, while the one standing as the Lamb slain is certainly the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world. Jesus our Lord.
    Further reading here would differentiate the two further in vs. 13. (It is not necessary for me to list scripture in such a way, each one is very capable of reading).

    Consider the place of the throne upon which our Lord shall sit. The throne of David, is this throne, now or was it ever found in heaven?

    Consider also the time of the binding of Satan for one thousand years Read this in Rev. 20, where it also differentiates between the first and second resurrection.

    I also agree that it is of great importance to preach the gospel that the work of God in the salvation of whosoever He would call is performed. Yet there is a time for all things, and no thing in scripture should be ignored or explained away simply because of its difficulty.
    We have the promise of being able to understand the things of the Spirit, yet we must approach the throne of God and ask of this understanding in humility. God knows my heart better than even I do, it is nothing for Him to know if my asking for knowledge is for the purpose of pointing lost souls to the Lamb of God, or for the sinful pride which would swell up inside me in showing myself approved.
    God help that I be kept humble that I may by His hand be useful and of service as well as the multitude of my brethren who also have the witness of the Spirit of Christ in there hearts and on their tongues.
    God bless all.
     
  6. Psalm145 3

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    Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

    "the hour of temptation" refers to the future 7 year tribulation "which shall come upon all the world"

    Brothers and sisters, let us pray we are a Philadelphia type church that God will "keep thee from the hour of temptation"

    Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ

    Amen! Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Frogman:
    I believe the church will be removed from the world before tribulation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    The problem with the pretrib rapture view is not Rev. 3.21 but rather that it is not explicitly (nor do I believe implictly) taught in Scripture.

    The Day of the Lord as presented in Scripture presents a large problem to both dispensationalists and postmillennialists. The dispensationalist divides the Day of the Lord into two parts, in order to account for the invisible rapture of the church theory. At some points the day of the Lord is meant to be Christ coming to rapture his saints out of harms way prior to the tribulation, and at other times it means the final day of the Lord, at the end of all time. Depending on just which day of the Lord one is talking about is dependent on one’s eschatological presuppositions. In the two-phase, dispensational second coming, the secret rapture is proposed in order to accommodate the imminency necessity, and then after a literal 7-year tribulation, Christ comes again in victory. Nowhere does the New Testament teach a second and a third coming of Christ. This also present another problem: if we are going to interpret literally, as the dispensationalist says we must, then 7 years to the day after the church mysteriously disappears, Christ must return. It cannot be 6 ½ years, or 7.1 years, or 7 years and 1 hour, but it must literally be 7 years. Thus, it renders Jesus words meaningless when he said, “But of that day or that hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father”, Mark 13:31,32 (ASV). If dispensationalism were true, you could set the world clock to the very second of Christ’s return; exactly 7 years to the millisecond after the rapture.

    The postmillennialist also runs into trouble with the day of the Lord. If the Second Coming, occurred in A.D. 70, it was just as invisible as in the rapture theory. This also divides up the Second coming into two parts. This also does damage to the words of Christ to the high priest in Mark 14:62 “And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven", (ASV). If there is any invisible return of Christ, his word is nullified.
    Hoekema states, “There is, however, no sound Scriptural basis for the position that the Second Coming of Christ must be divided into these two phases.” Among reasons Hoekema gives is that (1) it cannot be derived from the New Testament words for the Second Coming; (2) New Testament passages that describe the great tribulation do not indicate that the church will be removed from the earth prior to the tribulation beginning; (3) the most famous New Testament passages which teach the “rapture” do not teach it pretribulationally; (4) Christ’s Second Coming involves both a coming with his people as well as for his people; and (5) no argument for a two-stage Second Coming can be argued from the teaching that the great tribulation will be an outpouring of God’s wrath on the world. Hoekema agrees that the church will not be the subject of the wrath of God, but nowhere in Scripture does it say that the church will be free from the wrath of evil men. Many in the church have been given a false hope that they will not suffer any tribulation, either from God or from man, due to the pre-trib rapture theory.

    In Scripture, the Day of the Lord is clearly one event only. It may be more than a literal 24-hour day, or it may be less, but it is clearly only one eschatological occurrence. According to the Scriptures, the Day of the Lord is that day of judgement (Matt. 7:22; John 12:48); the day of resurrection (John 6:39,40; 44; 54; 22:24) to be accompanied by celestial signs (Acts 2:20); a time when it is good to be found blameless (I Cor. 1:8); a day of destruction and salvation (I Cor. 5:5); a day of full understanding (II Cor. 1:14); it comes like a thief in the night (I Thess. 5:2); it is a day of mercy (II Tim. 1:18) and rewards (II Tim. 4:8). It is also the day of the last trumpet when the elect are gathered (Matt. 24:3;31); the dead are raised (I Cor. 15:52); the Lord descends with a shout (I Thess. 4:6); the mystery is accomplished (Rev. 10:7); and the eternal state is brought in (Rev. 11:15). Clearly, the rapture, Second Coming and Day of the Lord all occur at the same time, as Christ said, “No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day”, John 6:44 (ASV).

    [ May 15, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Temple ]
     
  8. Dr. Bob

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    Chris - Where would a non-pretrib person then put I Thess 4:13-17? That parallels Rev. 4:1 closely (which PRECEDES the events of the tribulation in Rev. 4-19) and talks about Christ coming to receive the born again of all ages to himself.

    Nothing about establishing a kingdom or the other events of the Day of the Lord. Or is this a yo-yo instead of a rapture - everybody goes up and down real quick! :D

    Since we recognize Armageddon as a 6 month military campaign (not a single day), could not the Day of the Lord also be easily "stretched" into 7+ years? == Rapture, Tribulation, Armageddom, Revelation, then the Kingdom? After all, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years like a day to the Lord . . .

    Just thinking out loud.
     
  9. Chris Temple

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
    Chris - Where would a non-pretrib person then put I Thess 4:13-17? That parallels Rev. 4:1 closely (which PRECEDES the events of the tribulation in Rev. 4-19) and talks about Christ coming to receive the born again of all ages to himself.

    Nothing about establishing a kingdom or the other events of the Day of the Lord. Or is this a yo-yo instead of a rapture - everybody goes up and down real quick! :D
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Dr. Bob:

    You're right - for the non-pretribber, the Rapture occurs and the risen saints immediately return to the earth with the Lord!

    Vern Poythress said this in JETS 37/4 (December 1994 )
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    We cannot enter into all the details of Chilton’s system at this point. But we claim that this kind of approach cannot reasonably be sustained in dealing with the Thessalonian letters. 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18 is about the second coming. 1 Thessalonians 5:1–10, which is right next door to 4:13–18, must also be about the second coming. Hence 2 Thessalonians 1, which builds on 1 Thessalonians, is also about the second coming. Nothing in either letter has any real tendency to point in a direction different from this understanding.
    Chilton and others like him can find what they want in the Thessalonian letters only because they first read in what they afterwards read out. But their interpretations disintegrate once we try steadfastly to put ourselves in the shoes of the Thessalonian Christians. Paul only stayed in Thessalonica for a few weeks (Acts 17:1–10). Moreover, even though Paul had
    talked to them about the second coming (2 Thess 2:5), the letters show that the Thessalonian Christians were confused. They did not completely grasp even relatively basic matters of eschatology. The Thessalonians did not already have a mastery of some esoteric eschatological system.
    Now Paul understood the situation of the Thessalonians and their capabilities. Paul would not have used language in such a way that the Thessalonians would almost surely misunderstand.
    Once we understand the level on which Paul must communicate to them, it follows that 1 Thess 4:13–18 is about the second coming. The transition in 5:1 is not violent. Hence the Thessalonians will understand the “times and dates” of 5:1 as the times and dates regarding the events associated with the second coming. Hence 5:1–10 is about the second coming.22 Chilton (ibid. 119) wants to make 1 Thess 2:14–16 into a background for understanding 5:1–10, but his appeal to 2:14–16 is very weak. For one thing, 2:16 is a notoriously difficult and obscure verse. It may possibly refer to the fall of Jerusalem, but it may just as easily be a general reference to the hardening of the Jews, along the lines of Rom 11:8. Moreover the immediate context of 1 Thess 4:13–18 is decisive for the way that 5:1–10 will be understood. 1 Thessalonians 2:14–16 is too remote and too lacking in prominence for the Thessalonians to be aware of a salient connection.
    Next, 1 Thessalonians is the main background for 2 Thessalonians. In view of the sustained concern for the second coming in 1 Thessalonians, the Thessalonian Christians are bound to understand 2 Thessalonians 1 as a continuation of the same topic. The question is not whether one can invent an interpretive scheme, such as Chilton’s, capable of interpreting the whole passage figuratively. The question is whether the Thessalonians have any significant clues that would lead them to turn away from what from their point of view is the most obvious meaning.
    In short, there is no escaping the fact that from the standpoint of the Thessalonian Christians 2 Thessalonians 1 is “obviously” about the second coming. Paul knew the capabilities of the Thessalonians and did not intend to confuse them. Hence Paul was actually talking about the second coming.
     
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    Dear Brother Dallas:
    I'm SMILING because you agree with me; thanks and praise to God!!!
    The fate of the worhippers of the Antichrist will be 2 fold:
    A) Hell on earth.
    B) Everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire.
    Here's a new website about the horrors of the damned in Hell: http://www.geocities.com/theshedbloodofjesussaves/2.html?989303893480
    Rev. Steve Komnick, Missionary/School Evangelist
     
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    Hello Brothers and Sisters,

    Let me say first of all that we have reason to rejoice, a young man was saved this past Sunday morning at church. Here is one more who is sealed and regardless of our views of the presence or absence of the church during tribulation, here is one more who has the seal of the Spirit. Praise God for the Blood of Jesus.

    In answer to the teaching of a false hope that the church will not have to suffer at the hands of man or of God let me begin with Matthew 20.20-23.

    "Then came to him the mother of Zebedee's children with her sons, worshipping him, and desiring a certain thing of him.
    And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
    But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
    And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father."

    Cross reference with Mark 10.35-45

    What cup is this and what baptism?
    When is this cup drank from and this baptism received?
    Now let's turn to Revelation 7.1-3

    "And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.
    And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
    Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

    Considering our readings here, then I would ask:

    Who is receiving this seal?
    Further reading would show in this text the 144,000 of the twelve tribes of Israel.

    When are they receiving this seal?

    After the opening of the six seals from the seven sealed book, chapter 6 and 5 respectively.

    When are those in the present age sealed with the seal of the Living God?

    I cannot see how teaching the pre-tribulation rapture of the church is teaching a false hope that the saved in Christ will not have to suffer at the hands of man nor of God.

    On the contrary, I see that teaching otherwise would dangerously lead one toward contradicting the description of salvation as written in Romans 6.11.

    If a false hope is being taught in the rapture of the Bride of Christ, then is a false assurance being taught in our preaching that salvation is of Grace and the knowledge of its being received is made known to us through the revelation of the Holy Spirit?
    If it is necessary for the saved to endure the tribulation, as a seeming trial then is it altogether the truth to teach salvation is completely of Grace and not of works in any way?

    I remain assured that all who have found the cup of the wrath of God given to them have also found that Christ has drank of that cup and upon looking into it, by the power of the Spirit of God, we receive a cup of blessing. Praise God for the obedience of the Son, for He prayed the removal of this cup if it were possible, but not by His will, but the will of the Father. This being the will of God then that His son should drink of the cup of His wrath necessarily causes myself to be handed this cup, in conviction, yet if I tried to drink of the cup before the Lamb of God received it, my carnal nature would not be able, though it would answer, I am able. However, I cannot on my own merit satisfy our Holy God, not being able to do this then, I would not be able to receive the baptism of the Spirit, nor to receive the seal of the Father unto eternal life, but would set about seeking to establish my own righteousness, with no regard to the righteousness of God and would expect to be saved because of my accomplishment.

    God bless all with the ability to witness the birth of many children into His kingdom.

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  12. Chris Temple

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    A major basis of the nonmillennial position is that of the two-age model of eschatology. This is the belief that there is an “already and not yet” tension built into the Scriptures, describing prophecy fulfilled in the present age in part, and yet the final fulfillment of prophecy awaits at the end of the age. Some things are already, yet other things of the same type are not yet. Very often, soon and future prophesies are given in the very same passage, as in Matthew 24. We are presently saved, yet we must work out our salvation, and will not be saved finally until Christ returns. The kingdom has come, as proclaimed by Christ at his First Coming, the kingdom exists through the church now on earth and Christ’s reign in heaven, yet the kingdom will come finally and completely at his second return. Scripture speaks of this age and the age to come. The Scriptures speak abundantly about the two-age tension.

    As Hoekema states:
    Tension between the already and not yet is implicit in the teachings of Jesus. For Jesus taught that the kingdom of God is both present and future, and that eternal life is both a present possession and a future hope. This tension, further, also pervades the teachings of the Apostle Paul. For Paul the life of Jesus reveals itself at the present time in our mortal flesh (II Cor. 4:10,11), but the presence of this new life is provisional and imperfect, so that one can speak both if its being revealed and of its being hidden (cf. Col. 3:3; Rom. 8:19; 23).

    Also, Hoekema stresses that this already-not yet tension, while pervading the New Testament, is also found abundantly in Revelation. He notes that neither an exclusively futurist nor preterist position does justice to this tension in the book. Trying to understand prophecy while ignoring the already-not yet tension will lead to either only a spiritual interpretation or a strictly literal and unscriptural fulfillment of not yet received realization.

    The already-not yet tension allows us to understand what we have come to know as the signs of the times. In opposition to the imminent return of Christ as believed by the premillennialist, Scripture is clear that certain things must take place before Christ returns. These are spelled out abundantly in Matthew 24. The premillennialist’s immanency is mirrored by the preterist’s immediate fulfillment idea of Matthew 24. Neither view adequately views the already and not yet tension of biblical prophecy. The only way a premillennialist can deal with the signs of the times being fulfilled as well as the immanency passages like Matthew 24:40,41: “Then shall two men be in the field; one is taken, and one is left: two women shall be grinding at the mill; one is taken, and one is left”; and Luke 17:34,35: “I say unto you, In that night there shall be two men on one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. There shall be two women grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left,” (ASV); is to insert the idea of a secret rapture of believers. Yet in the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13, it is the tares, or non-believers who are gathered together first!

    This aspect of the rapture is ignored by the dispensationalist (as is the very noisy return of the Lord in I Thessalonians 4:16). When viewed in the two-age model, immanency of return is an impossibility. Certain things must occur first. The preaching of the gospel to all the world, the great apostasy, the great tribulation, and the revelation of antichrist. These signs of the times have begun already in the first century and thereafter in the already phase; the great missionary journeys of the Apostles, the apostasy of the middle ages and the heresies of Rome, the ongoing tribulation of Christians throughout the world through history, and the appearing of many antichrists as John has told us. Yet the great fulfillment of these predictions still occur in their ultimate appearing in the future. The Scriptures tell us that sin against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or the age to come (Matt. 12:32); eternal life is received in the age to come (Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30); God’s power will come in the age to come (Heb. 6:5); and Jesus has rescued us from this present evil age. Also the harvest is at the end of the age (Matt. 13:39); the angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just (Matt. 13:49) and Christ is with us until the end of the age (Matt. 28:20). The clear teaching of the New Testament is that there are two ages in eschatology; this “present evil world” (Gal. 1:4) and the end of the age or the age to come. While the Second Coming cannot be imminent, it will be sudden and unexpected when Christ does return (I Thessalonians 5:2).
     
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    Where the Word of God indicates that the SMOKE of their torment ascends up forever and ever (see Revelation 14:9-11), this is probably the IDENTICAL SMOKE FROM THE BOTTOMLESS PIT (FROM WHICH THE STINGING DEMONIC CREATURES WILL SOON ARISE) (see Revelation Chapter 9). What HORROR soon awaits the worshippers of the Antichrist! http://www.geocities.com/theshedbloodofjesussaves/2.html?989303893480
    Rev. Steven Komnick, Missionary/School Evangelist
     
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    "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. He shall enter into peace: they shall rest in their beds, each one walking in his uprightness."
    Isaiah 57.1 & 2

    I take this by faith, along with the following:


    "Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord. And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
    Isaiah 7.11-14

    God Bless you in your walk with him.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rev. Steven Komnick:
    Where the Word of God indicates that the SMOKE of their torment ascends up forever and ever (see Revelation 14:9-11), this is probably the IDENTICAL SMOKE FROM THE BOTTOMLESS PIT (FROM WHICH THE STINGING DEMONIC CREATURES WILL SOON ARISE) (see Revelation Chapter 9). What HORROR soon awaits the worshippers of the Antichrist! http://www.geocities.com/theshedbloodofjesussaves/2.html?989303893480
    Rev. Steven Komnick, Missionary/School Evangelist
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Steve,

    You're kinda stuck in a wooden literalism, ain't ye?

    This is a historical section (Rev 14.6-10) dealing with the apostate Roman Church. The Geneva Bible notes say this:

    4:6 {4} And I saw {5} another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

    (4) The other part (as I said in the first verse) See Geneva on "Re 14:1" is of the acts of the Lamb, the manner of which is delivered in two sorts, of his speech and of his facts. His speeches are set forth to #Re 14:7-13, and his facts to the sixteenth chapter. In the speech of the Lamb, which is the word of the Gospel, are taught in this place these things: The service of the godly consisting inwardly of reverence towards God, and outwardly of the glorifying of him: the visible sign of which is adoration #Re 14:7. The overthrowing of wicked Babylon, #Re 14:8 and the fall of every one of the ungodly who worship the beast, #Re 14:9-11. Finally the state of the holy servants of God both present, #Re 14:12 and to come, most blessed, according to the promise of God in #Re 14:13.
    (5) This angel is a type or figure of the good and faithful servants of God, whom God especially from the time of Boniface the eighth has raised up to the proclaiming of the gospel of Christ, both by preaching and by writing. So God first, near the time of the same Boniface, used Peter Cassiodorus an Italian: after, Arnold "de villa nova", a Frenchman, then Occam, dante, Petrarch, after the "Johannes de rupe casa", a Franciscan: after again, John Wycliff an Englishman, and so continually one or another to the restoring of the truth, and enlarging of his Church.

    4:7 {6} Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

    (6) That is, Babylon is destroyed by the sentence and judgment of God: the execution of which John describes in chapter 18. This voice of the ministers of Christ has continued since the time that Babylon (which is Rome) has by deliberate counsel and malice questioned the light of the gospel offered from God.

    14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the {a} wrath of her fornication.

    (a) Of her fornication, by which God was provoked to wrath.

    14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, {7} If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

    (7) That is, will not worship God alone, but will transfer his divine honour to this beast, whether he do it with his heart, or counterfeiting in show. "For he (says Christ) that denies me before men, him will I deny before my Father and his angels" #Mt 10:32. This is the voice of the holy ministry, which at this time is used of the holy and faithful servants of God. For having now sufficiently found out the public obstinacy of Babylon, they no longer work to speak out against the same: but to save some particular members by terror (as Jude speaks) and to pluck them out of the flame: or else lead them away by vehement commiseration of their state, they set before them eternal death into which they rush unaware, unless they return to God in time, but the godly who are of their own flock, they exhort to patience, obedience and faith to others.
     
  17. Missionary Steven Komnick

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    My Beloved Brethren:
    It's been a pleasure having this discussion with you. I know the Rapture is near, but there's a good possibility that I'll take my trip to Heaven early since I've been having pains in both my upper left chest and central chest (possibly due to clogged arteries). Please pray for me. I'm chuckling at that comment about "wooden literalism": HA! HA! HA! The fact is, brothers, that Revelation 14:9-11 is indeed to be taken literally about the smoke of their torment ascending up forever and ever for those people who worhip the Antichrist by receiving the 666 economic mark (Mark of the Beast) in either their right hands or foreheads.
    PRECIOUS IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD IS THE DEATH OF HIS SAINTS.
    HOWEVER, THE JUSTICE OF THE HOLY GOD MANDATES THAT THE SMOKE OF THEIR TORMENT ASCENDS UP FOREVER AND EVER AND THEY HAVE NO REST DAY NOR NIGHT WHOEVER WORSHIPS THE BEAST (THE ANTICHRIST), AND HIS IMAGE AND WHOSOEVER RECEIVES THE MARK (666) OF HIS NAME. http://www.geocities.com/theshedbloodofjesussaves/2.html?989303893480 http://www.geocities.com/SavedByTheShedBLOODofEmmanuel http://www.geocities.com/savedbytheshedbloodofgod/best7.html?986535365030
    Rev. Steve Komnick, Missionary/School Evangelist
     
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