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Amean

 

I wish I could understand why, every so often, some mean-spirited person feels the need to get on here and tell everybody that they believe that some people are destined to burn in hell because they aren't "chosen". What if it's your mother who isn't one of the "elect"? You gonna tell her "Sorry Mom, wish there was something someone could do, but you weren't chosen so you're going to hell".

 

Here's another fundamental doctrine: "Go ye therefore." See, we don't get to decide who is "the elect," so this never-ending debate becomes a huge waste of time. And the more time we waste arguing about it instead of taking care of the business we are given to do, the more we sin. It's a ridiculous debate to be in. I might dare to say that Satan is pleased when the saints of God are sidetracked and divided by this (and others) issue. Move on to more important things!

 

Of course the Good Shepherd layed His life down for the sheep. How else would a sheep be saved? Does this mean that a dog can't be saved as well?

Matthew 15:24-28
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
25 Then came she and worshiped him, saying, Lord, help me.
26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27 And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

 

I have a friend and Christian brother who posts regularly on this board, who avidly reads all the posts on the subject of the Doctrines of Grace, because he is still looking and listening. He is a typical modern Baptist hybrid who is certainly not Arminian in the classic sense, but stops short of embracing Calvinism. But he is willing to be convinced. So as far as I'm concerned, for his sake, have at it.

Tom B.

 

Well, now, I guess Jehovah of the old Testament is a pretty mean spirited One, eh ? He elects Israel, but not other nations. He loved Jacob, and hated Esau.

And then Jehovah who became flesh was even more mean spirited since He spoke of His elect as well, eh ? Remember
atthew 24:22, 31 and Mark 13:20 ?

But, hey, I guess Paul is pretty mean spirited as well, and a braggart, too, boasting of his stripes and all.

Now, Peter also, who walked with the mean spirited Jesus, also spoke of God's electing grace, so I guess Peter is not only a loud mouth, and talks too fast, but is every bit as mean spirited as Jesus.

So, I guess those are pretty good company, you can call me mean spirited anytime.

 

Do you have stripes?

 

No. But I understand that like you, Paul, Peter, John, Calvin, Wesley, and all previously unregenerate men, I had spots like a Leopard until God in His mercy removed them, and not because I prayed a silly prayer but because it was Jehovah's will to cleanse my spots and wash them away.
I also understand that until God adopted me, at no prompting from anyone, most especially this sinner, I was a castaway, and that is worse than any stripe you can ever inflict on me.

 

OH MERCY!!!

I just found a verse that says "ALL GENTILES" are "Predestined" to Hell.

Matthew 24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


It must be the Gentiles who are the "vessels fit for destruction", because "ALL ISRAEL" is going to be saved.

"MERCY", wish I'd been born a "Jews".

Might as well sell my "ocean front property" here in Tennesse and enjoy it while I can, anyone want to buy it, cheap???

 

Classic dispensationalism should help each of you to sort all this out. Then the "never ending debate" will end. You must, of course, be born again in order to spiritually discern, to rightly divide, scripture.

 

Agree for while on earth He was only interested in the house of Israel, ”But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

Yes, for He is talking to His nation in 6, as well as 12, but in 12 we to know what He is talking about, but they in that day couldn’t fathom His words, “And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.[/I] There are just too many verses backing up Matthew 16:9 to allow us to believe any one, even the Apostles, could comprehend what Jesus was saying. After Pentecost the Apostles after receiving the Holy Ghost were then able to understand what was written and what was said in the Old Testament. Even then they did not have all that they would know a few years later.

Amen! The Father raises, and Christ Jesus also whom He will. Such powerful words with so much to see in His unsearchable riches.

Yes agree He explained, and they understood what they could without the Holy Ghost, as shown in Matthew 16:23. We know a number of years after Israel is cut-off, He would have more to say to all of us.

Amen! We will be witness to all this while we are in heaven as the “hundred and forty four thousand Jews’ are sealed. It all becomes so much clearer after Damascus Road when we find, regardless of what we may hear, we are not to be disturbed or become agitated over the events to come.

Christian faith, ituttut

 

Ps 69:28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous. (in the lambs book)

Jesus's book (Lamb's) in written in "HIS BLOOD", it can't be blotted out.

Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

God isn't "constrained" by "time", you can be saved tommorow, God can wait until day after tommorow, reach back to the beginning to write your name and it will have been so "from the beginning".

God is a little bit bigger than your "mind" can comprehend.

 

The point is that the book of life was written "from the foundation of the world." So God is not going to react to something that He didn't plan for and have to go back in time to make an adjustment. This is almost a joke.

And, according to Matthew 26:28 that you quoted, for how many people was Jesus' blood shed? Answer - Many. Does many here mean all? Do you want to change the meaning of words?

 

But while alive, Jesus said He only came for His own. He told His little flock that He would die for them, but they didn’t believe Him. There is a church and then there is a Church. The church earthly, and the Church Spiritually. We today are of the Body of Christ Church.

Amen! Those of Israel on His right will come to their King for in “covenant” they were promised an inheritance.

Amen!

Amen again as that is scripture. We should be so happy that Christ from heaven had more to say about our salvation today, giving us more scripture of enlightenment with understanding, that He could not while He lived as man on the earth.

Christ revealed to Paul that we today are in the Body of Christ, and we see in the Gospel of John that it supports this view for we will be like Christ. This is the joy and peace we are to have in Christ today, knowing now our final destination and we will be the image of Him.

Christian faith, ituttut