SCRIPTURAL PROOF FOR ROMAN CATHOLICISM!!!

From this point forward I'm holding all Christians who have pews in their churches accountable for this damnable unscriptural heresy!


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Particularly when they declare it "as doctrine" that "all the members MUST confess".

As Carson has already stated regarding Purgatory and the various errors in Maryolotry - (or is that Mariology?) - it is a required doctrinal position for all Catholics and NOT a case of the RCC saying it is ok if Catholic-A likes this part and Catholic-B does not believe it.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Instead of telling us what Carson says could you please tell us what Ellen White says about this matter?

 

Bob,

Nice double standard. Where were you when he was calling limbo a doctrine of the Church?

Oh, I see. You don't stand up for honesty.

 

The first source states absolutely that the Church has never taught limbo, but that it was merely a matter of theological debate (you "cleverly" leave all that part out). The second source is in no way, shape or form "official." It's some book that I've never even heard of.

 

rbrent,

You have not posted an official Catholic source that states that the Church has TAUGHT limbo (not discussed, which is true). The first source THAT YOU PROVIDE, the Catholic Encylopedia, makes this clear in its entire last section.

Confuse? Me? You're own sources deny what you claim (at least, the official ones, which is all you SHOULD be posting for OFFICIAL teaching).

 

This is off topic but I thought it beared mentioning. Reading the posts of the various topics of this discussion discussion group goes further to enforce the Catholic position of the Holy Scriptures and Apostalic Tradition as the fullness of Gods revelation then coupled with the teaching authority of the Majesterium.

Look at all the disagreement in these groups over the interpretation of scripture. I know many of our Protestant Brothers believe the Holy Spirit guides us in the correct interpretation when we are sincere. I am sure many in this group are very sincere and yearn for the truth. So why then does the Holy Spirit tell us different truths? My undertanding is that there is only one truth. Why then are we coming up with so many different interpretations of scripture, why so many Protestant faiths? Did the founders of these differing faiths have a sincere commitment to the truth and ask the Holy Spirit for guidance?

I think Jesus had forseen this problem, so he established the teaching authroity of the Majesterium that would be one single voice to guide us. Thought their interpretation of Holy Scripture while taking into account the Apostalic Tradition they can come to a much clear understanding of scripture.

The Catholic church has flourished for two thousand years and our beliefs in faith and morals have remained the same throughout this time.

I just and curious if any of our Protestant Brothers ever wonder why there is so much division in the Protestant community. I am not hear to bash my Brothers, I am again just curious why they do not see what seem obvious to myself.

God Bless You All

Daniel

 

#1. Catholic historian after Catholic historian has been quoted on this board "showing" the evolution of Catholic doctrine taking centuries to complete - indeed millenia. These are your OWN sources - your own scholars coming up with this - it is not simply a "Protestant slant" or Protestant historians speaking.

There is a "reason" why you don't find any reference to anything like Purgatory, or the assumption of Mary, or the immaculate conception or Mary being sinless or indulgences or infant baptism in the Apostolic writings of the NT authors.

#2. The RCC has fractured so "many times" through history it is hard to count them all - and it is still in the process of splintering even today.

#3. EACH Christian denomination (including the RCC) has its own "magesterium" telling its members what the approved view of "truth" is. -- there is "nothing new there" - though Catholics seem to post "as if" their magesterium is the only one doing it.

#4. In the dark ages - The RCC dealt with splinter groups via it published policy of "Extermination" (though some here have tried to argue "that is exterminate but in a nice way")

#5. Even Worse - The RCC history shows huge numbers of Catholics being killed by armies of fellow Catholics lead by rival popes. EACH Pope calling the other "antichrist" and each promising its members "heaven" if killed in battle.

The "joy" of being Catholic through the dark ages - was the joy of being told that your loved one were in torment EVEN if they were not going to Hell. It was the "joy" of spending your last cent to purchase indulgences from the church so she would agree to sign a spiritual "check" - a get-out-of-jail card for your tormented suffering loved ones that were "paying" for their venial sins in purgatory.

For many centuries it was the "joy" of not having a Bible available in your own language.

In any case - my point is that the facts of history don't seem to bear out your assertion.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Flourished? Where and when did your brainwashing take place?

Flourishing during the 1000 years of the dark ages of torture, bloodshed, mass murder, and the "blood of the saints" of God by the millions on "her" hands?

Flourishing during centuries and centuries of adding, and adding, and adding, and adding increasing amounts of error, false tradition, false teaching, and idolatrous expressions of "veneration" directed towards the "Queen of the Universe" Mary?

Flourishing during the current "situation" we all know about?

Oh my. You've bought it all, "hook line and sinker".

Their beliefs have always been the same. Now I've heard everything.

Listen, if someone comes up to you and tells you he wants to sell you some ocean front property in the middle of Iowa at a bargain price, dont buy it!

Sadly,

Mike

 

Well, you don't have to "buy it" or bite "hook line and sinker" but ya have this protestant interested!

I know I haven't read everything, or even most of the literature of the past 2000 years on Christianity so I look increasingly forward to your thesis on how the Catholic Church has continued to sway back and forth on teachings and morals.

And telling me that they solidified a doctrine or declared a dogma isn't good enough. Clarification isn't change.

What I'm looking for is where at one point in time the Church officially taught that "Mary is an ordinary sinner and has no special salvic role in history" and then where they taught "Mary is Blessed and has a salvic role in history". That type of thing.

Happy hunting!

 

Here are RC statements that we "do not find" being marketed by the Apostles as they are by the RCC today.. (or even anything remotely like it)..

Surely you can "detect" something of a "difference".

CoRedemptrix -

"With equal truth may it be also affirmed that, by the will of God, Mary is the intermediary through whom is distributed unto us this immense treasure of mercies gathered by God, for mercy and truth were created by Jesus Christ, thus as no man goeth to the Father but by the Son, so no man goeth to Christ but by His Mother....How grateful and magnificent a spectacle to see in the cities, and towns, and villages, on land and sea—wherever the Catholic
faith has penetrated—many hundreds of thousands of pious people uniting their praises and prayers with one voice and heart at every moment of the day, saluting Mary, invoking Mary, hoping everything through Mary." - Pope Leo XIII, Octobri Mense

"O Virgin most holy, none abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee; none, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee, none receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee." - Pope Leo XIII, Adiutricem Populi

"Mary suffered and, as it were, nearly died with her suffering Son; for the salvation of mankind she renounced her mother's rights and, as far as it depended on her, offered her Son to placate divine justice; so we may well say that she with Christ redeemed mankind." - Pope Benedict XV, Inter Sodalicia

"Mary's suffering [at Calvary], beside the suffering of Jesus, reached an intensity which can hardly be imagined from a human point of view but which was mysteriously and supernaturally fruitful for the Redemption of the world." - Pope John Paul II, Salvifici Doloris, no. 25


Some of our Catholic brethren have argued the point by saying "you never find us worshipping Mary".

For in support of that you will NEVER find anything like the Following praise and worship to God given to Mary.

For example see what “we do not find” among our Catholic sources…

In this form it would appear that all this praise, prayer, honor, veneration and glory applies to Mary and would even at that small level be a gross error.

So – we sure are glad that it is not out there.

However - to "correct" that quote so that it IS "exactly" what we do find the Papal authority saying -- all we have to do is remove all the references to God - and replace them with references to Mary.

Here is the correct quote – this is what Pope Pius XII “DID” write…

All Powerful Mary –

In Christ,

Bob

 

Here we have RC sources who claim to "see" what Brother Adam claims not to "see" about the "evolution" of RC doctrine over time.


From Catholic Digest (Parenthesis mine in the quotes below) from the June 1999 article.
Please see www.catholicdigest.org for the full article that hints to the changes that have evolved over time.

Didache on Baptism by Immersion:

FE The Faith Explained (RC commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican ii).

In Christ,

Bob

 

The topic is authentic. " SCRIPTURAL PROOF FOR ROMAN CATHOLICISM!!!"

Revelation chapter seventeen pictures the Roman Catholic Church plus all of the apostate Protestant churches that no longer believe in the Deity of Christ or His atonement. I am not saying that the Catholic Church does not officially believe in the Deity of Christ and His atonement. Let's get that straight right off . . .

But, the Apostle John does say that if you are under this ecclesiastical system, make haste to leave it. Thus, we have the youngest and yet authorative apostle hearing a voice from Heaven saying, 'Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto Heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.' [Revelation 18:4-5] This 'plague' or spiritual down-fall will take place in the future during the Great Tribulation and at His Second Coming.

Those who are not 'born again' and those who have not received Christ, [John 1:12] are not in the Bride of Christ--- first starting with apostate Protestants who should know better, and then Catholics who are caught in the maze of their adorable saints who they willingly offer their adoration. The Bible say, 'Worship God!'

We do know that, 'Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him and he in God.' [I John 4:15]

 

Well you are right about one thing - there is Bible evidence for the existence of the RCC and its impact in the dark ages. It is found in Daniel 7, Rev 12 and Rev 17.

In Christ,

Bob

 

rbrent-

May God bless you for your desire to remain faithful to Him. However, please pardon me, I must ask you...Where is your proof from Scripture that Catholicism is wrong? I'm not talking about YOUR interpretation of it, but overall. The Rosary is a VERY scriptural prayer including the last two "Glorious Mysteries" pertaining to Mary's Assumption NOT resurection to Heaven and her being CROWNED. Does your church not teach that the Christian will recieve a crown of many jewels in heaven? Do you not believe that upon your death, that you will be "assumed" into heaven and re-united with your body in a glorified state? As for Mary being called the "MOther of God", Catholics only believe that she is the mother of the 2nd PERSON of the God-head. What is your problem with that? - Most respectfully, and may God bless you! - Meercat

 

RayBerrian posted...

I just thought it was worth posting again.

Blessings,

Mike

 

Notice that in Rev 17 it is a compromising and persecuting religious power that is represented.

Also it is a reference to what we see in James 4 -where he calls compromise with the world - spiritual "Adultery" within the Christian church.

This is in contrast with the pure woman that we see in Rev 12.

In Christ,

Bob