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  1. Spirit Seeker

    Spirit Seeker New Member

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    I'm with Chemnitz. You insert the word "represents" and use quotations as if that is actually the Scripture.</font>[/QUOTE]My bad...I'm so used to hearing that now that I forgot that I always heard "This IS My body" as a child. Pretty literal translation...do you feel that way about 'cut off your right/left hand...)? (Sorry, can't quote that one exactly...wasn't taught to study the bible while in catechism so I have a lot of catching up to do).
     
  2. GraceSaves

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    I'm with Chemnitz. You insert the word "represents" and use quotations as if that is actually the Scripture.</font>[/QUOTE]My bad...I'm so used to hearing that now that I forgot that I always heard "This IS My body" as a child. Pretty literal translation...do you feel that way about 'cut off your right/left hand...)? (Sorry, can't quote that one exactly...wasn't taught to study the bible while in catechism so I have a lot of catching up to do). </font>[/QUOTE]Whoever you are listening to that keeps telling you "represents" is MISrepresenting Scripture. I'm a bit shocked that you have no problem with this.

    God bless,

    Grant
     
  3. Spirit Seeker

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    We have our differences...I respect your view just as you should respect mine. Leave it alone and please don't be so judgmental.
     
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    [/QUOTE]I do not believe as the RCC does, I believe that the Body and Blood are truly present, I do not believe the bread and wine are turned into His Body and Blood. [/QB][/QUOTE]

    Bingo. That hits the nail on the head...thank you very much...that's exactly how I feel.
     
  5. Chemnitz

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    If you believe that way then why did you join the Baptist church? They believe it is only a representation. Lutherans believe that the body and blood are truly physically present along with the bread and wine.
     
  6. Spirit Seeker

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    Excuse me for wording that incorrectly...I believe the body and blood are present in SPIRIT (and that anyone who is not right in his relationship with Christ should not partake), and that it is a representation of what He gave up for us.
     
  7. Hi Spirit Seeker,

    I think the Priest could have used more discretion when telling your husband he could not receive communion at your wedding. It just goes to show that Priests are people too. We Catholics have no lock on tact at times.

    In regards to the Eucharist, Catholics believe in the principle of Transubstantiation in which the bread and wine is completely transformed into the body and blood of Jesus while still maintaining all the physical properties of bread and wine.

    We believe that the Holy Eucharist is one of the seven sacraments that Jesus established as a means of infusing grace into us. The other six are baptism, reconciliation, confirmation, marriage, holy orders and annointing of the sick. The sacraments of baptism, confirmation and holy orders are only to be given once, since they provide a permanent mark on our souls. The other sacraments can be received more than once.

    God Bless You

    Yours in Christ
    Daniel
     
  8. Spirit Seeker

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    There are lots of people who lack tact besides catholics...don't generalize it and sell yourself short!

    I wasn't aware that the marriage sacrament could be given twice...thought catholics frowned on divorce. It is only if there has been a formal....uh....forget the word...not anullment...or is it?...oh, shoot! I know someone who had one before they got married to a catholic girl. What is it?
     
  9. Hi Spirit Seeker,

    I am commenting on your last post...

    We also believe Jesus' body, blood, soul and divinity is present in the Eucharist.

    We believe that the apostles also took Jesus' words at the last supper literally. If you look at 1 Corinthians chapter 10:16

    The cup of benediction which we bless, is it not the sharing of the blood of Christ, And the bread that we break, is it not the partaking of the body of the Lord?

    Also if the bread and wine where only symbolic why would St. Paul warn us about receiving the Eucharist while in a state of sin or disbelief as he was saying in 1 Corinthians chapter 10:

    Therefore, whoever eats this bread or drinks the cup of blessing which we bless, unworthily, will be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.

    This has always been the belief of the Catholic church since the time of Jesus.

    The belief in the real presence has always been in dispute between Catholics and Protestants but hopefully in understanding why we believe what we believe we can bring ourselves closer together and see the differences are not that great.

    God Bless You

    Yours in Christ
    Daniel
     
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    "...but hopefully in understanding why we believe what we believe we can bring ourselves closer together and see the differences are not that great."

    Exactly...we are all striving for the same thing...eternal life...and it does not matter which road (religion) we take as long as we get there.

    Now, don't anybody take that last statement and turn it into something it is not. I'll expand so I don't have to answer another 20 questions about what I mean. I simply mean that as long as we believe in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior and we live for Him, it DOES NOT MATTER whether we are catholic, baptist, lutheran, methodist, presbyterian, etc. No single denomination has exclusive rights to heaven. We all need to agree to disagree on how we worship and focus on saving as many lost sheep as we can.

    ~T :D
     
  11. Hi Again Spirit Seeker,

    Heres another reply to your comment...

    First thing to remember is that one spouse could die so the other person is free to marry again. The other thing you where thinking of was an annulment. Its true Catholics do not believe in divorce since what God has joined together is now one, bone of my bone, flesh of my flesh. Now in the Catholic church a marriage in the church is considered a sacramental marriage and for this marriage to be valid there must be valid form and substance. An annulment should only be granted when it can be shown that a valid marriage did not occur. In other words, the form and matter was not present. Such things as both persons are baptised Christians and both are entering into marriage with full freedom of will. I am not sure but I also think that the ceremony has to be performed in a church.

    God Bless You

    Yours in Christ
    Daniel
     
  12. GraceSaves

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    Spirit Seeker,

    I am not speaking of views. You used quotations as if you were quoting the Scriptures, and used the word "represents" as if it said that. It does not, in ANY translation. You even said, "Pretty literal translation." Frankly, that IS the translation. Now, if you wish to call my INTERPRETATION literal, fine. But the translation says "is," not "represents."

    I'm not judging your beliefs. I'm judging your judgement in quoting scriptures falsely and sticking by them. All I ask is that you concede that it nowhere says, neither in the Gospels nor in the first letter to the Corinthians, "represents."

    God bless,

    Grant
     
  13. LisaMC

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    Spirit Seeker,

    I am responding to your original question of "calling priests "father." As a non-Catholic, I don't think that it is wrong to call a priest "father." Scripture also says not to call men "rabbi." Even F. F. Bruce, a prominent Evangelical does not consider this to be "wrong." (NOTE: Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable calling my pastor father) Anyhow, my understanding of the verse which forbids the use of "father" is this, Do not look to your priest as THE Father, do not consider him to be God or Christ. Know that there is only one God the Father and He is in Heaven. That's my own simplistic understanding, I'm sure there are many who disagree, but oh well . . . . .

    God Bless!!
     
  14. Spirit Seeker

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    Spirit Seeker,

    I am not speaking of views. You used quotations as if you were quoting the Scriptures, and used the word "represents" as if it said that. It does not, in ANY translation. You even said, "Pretty literal translation." Frankly, that IS the translation. Now, if you wish to call my INTERPRETATION literal, fine. But the translation says "is," not "represents."

    I'm not judging your beliefs. I'm judging your judgement in quoting scriptures falsely and sticking by them. All I ask is that you concede that it nowhere says, neither in the Gospels nor in the first letter to the Corinthians, "represents."

    God bless,

    Grant
    </font>[/QUOTE]First of all, I was NOT trying to falsely quote scripture. I was putting emphasis on the words to help you understand what I believed.

    Second of all, I have already 'conceded,' if that's how you want to put it, when I said,
    "My bad...I'm so used to hearing that now that I forgot that I always heard "This IS My body" as a child." But if it will make you feel better, I will specifically state this:

    Nowhere in the scripture does it say 'represents' in relation to the eucharist. There, ya feel better? Geesh, don't you have anything better to do than to pick apart piece by piece everything I say?

    Like I said before...We all need to agree to disagree on how we worship and focus on saving as many lost sheep as we can.
     
  15. Hi Lisa,

    Well said, I think a lot of people have the misconception that as Catholics we exhault high honor to our Priests. Its true we respect them as I am sure Protestants respect their Ministers and Reverends. A priest is to be humble and takes a vow of poverty to be inline with the scriptures in which Jesus said the last will be first and the first will be last. They strive to be humble and Jesus showed his humility in many ways such as washing the feet of his Apostles.

    God Bless You

    Yours in Christ
    Daniel
     
  16. GraceSaves

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    Spirit Seeker,

    You aren't being nitpicky with us and your mother over the "Father" topic? I'm sorry, but when you misrepresent Scripture or the Catholic Church, I will be nitpicky. There is enough libel on this board that I would hope you will not fall into it as well. I'm not doing it to be mean; I'm honestly concerned when things like what you said are posted and go uncontested.

    We are fellow Christians, and I love you as a child of God; I'm just asking you to respect my beliefs when you are telling me so much to respect yours.

    God bless you,

    Grant
     
  17. Spirit Seeker

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    Well, ya know what? I'm only asking about things that I have been taught growing up catholic. I was NEVER told why to believe a certain way, or why to do things a certain way...I was just told to do it. I was told to memorize and recite prayers...but was I EVER taught any Bible verses? NEVER. I am ashamed, while at the same time pleased, to say that my kids know way more Bible verses than I do...even my 10-year-old.

    If I ask a question about something, it is because I don't know the answer...isn't that usually why people ask questions? If I ask questions about someone's reply, it is because it does not jive with what I was taught growing up and I honestly would like to understand. I have NEVER, EVER purposely misquoted, misrepresented, or twisted around ANYTHING while on this board...there is no sense in it and I don't do it. Everything I have written has come from what I have learned growing up, from what I have observed in the rest of my family, and from my true desire to understand WHY.

    So, if you can't handle me picking apart your answers so that I can get the information that I need, i.e., asking for more detailed answers to my questions (in contrast to your picking me apart because I have somehow distorted something, albeit only out of lack of education on the subject), then don't respond to my posts.

    I would think that you would have a little more patience with people who truly want to learn something, and I know there are a lot more people out there who will be willing to answer my questions without accusing me of something or picking me apart because I ask the 'wrong' questions.

    If I said something that was wrong in your eyes, then you need to open them a little wider and realize that, as I've said many times already, all I want to do is understand.
     
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    Gee, haven't I already said that? I've already told you that I respect your beliefs...now all I want to do is UNDERSTAND THEM without being ridiculed for asking for explanations!!!!!
     
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    Spirit,

    You tell me not to be nitpicky, then you give me a big post about how I need to not get on to you for being nitpicky.

    I don't understand how you are going by this double standard.

    God bless,

    Grant
     
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    Gee, haven't I already said that? I've already told you that I respect your beliefs...now all I want to do is UNDERSTAND THEM without being ridiculed for asking for explanations!!!!! </font>[/QUOTE]Spirit,

    You haven't been asking me for explanations. You've been telling me how all my answers are wrong. Check out some of your responses. Really.

    God bless,

    Grant
     
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