Age of Accountability

Like a lot of people you blame your sins on the flesh, but the flesh only "tempts" you to sin, the sin actually occur when you conscientiously give in to that lust, that's when your spirit (soul) sins.

The flesh will never repent of it's sins, even after you're saved, the flesh will still continue to tempt you, but as long as the soul doesn't surrender to the lust, it won't sin.

One sin make you a sinner, and that sin can be nothing more than an evil thought.

So does being born in a body of sin, make you a sinner, or surrendering to the lust of that body??

Would the spirit (soul) be pure until it committed that first sins, if it wasn't pure, then both Body and soul would have an appointment with death from birth, that's the law, death of the flesh first, then a "Second death" of the soul at the GWT, in this case, neither could be save, when God makes an appointment, it's kept, period, that why the appointment is only "ONCE" for man to die. (flesh/body)

The law requires death for sin, and since the soul isn't condemned from birth, it has no sin at birth, else you would have a violation of the law.

Nope, getting you out it.

 

Psalms 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: They go astray as soon as they are born, speaking lies.

The soul, the person--body, soul and spirit, is condemned from birth. As soon as they be born they go forth speaking lies.
Don't argue with me on this point. Your argument is with God. He stated it.
The fact is we are born sinners. We are born with a sin nature. Thus the necessity of being born again, being born into God's family.
DHK

 

The fact is, sir, that ALL sin was atoned for by Christ on the cross. Therefore the argument about the 'ability' of an infant to sin is moot. They are covered by Christ's blood as their sins are unintended/unintentional and the unthinking result of a sin nature ... if, indeed, it can be argued that infants sin (which I think Paul would disagree with, cf Romans 7:7-11 and on).

Thus we are no longer under condemnation because of sin, for that condemnation was taken by Christ Himself out of love for us. Our condemnation is because of unbelief.

Therefore, unless one is willing to say that an infant can deny Christ, that infant is not condemned. Indeed, as Christ as said, their angels always see the face of the Father in Heaven. And, heaven belongs to such as these.

It is not a matter of there being an age of accountability. Of course there is. The argument would be about when it is.

 

I agree Helen and that is a pretty hard question. I think it depends on the person themselves for some mature much faster than others and then there are those who never fully develop in this life but thanks to God they will in the next.

Blessings,

BBob

 

Helen if ALL sin is atoned for then there would never be need to repent, because we are covered by Christs blood. Using this I could argue that I am not accountable until I want to be accountable. But then according to you I have nothing to be accountable for because Christ took away ALL my sin. So if as you say the argument is about when the age of acountabilty would be, my question is why is Christ's blood powerful enough to cover my sins in infancy but not when I reach the mythical age of accountability.

 

When we have heard , and have understood the message of the Gospel - and still refuse to accept The Lord Jesus as our saviour - it is then that we are accountable .
We will still sin, because of our sinful nature,but we will have heard and understood the Gospel. It is then that we should ask forgiveness and repent. We are accountable when we understand what we are to be accountable for. There will still be sin that we will commit that we do not realise is sin, and we should ask God for forgiveness for our lack of understanding, and ask for His help to understand more fully.

[ May 24, 2006, 10:04 PM: Message edited by: Gwyneth ]

 

Jesus did in fact die for the sins of the whole world.

1Jo 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

But note what the following verse says.

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

If Jesus die for the sins of the whole world, then why is the "Might be" inserted in that verse, doesn't that exclude an "Automatic remission of sins"??

If Jesus's death only brings man to the point that he "might be" saved, what's the final ingredent to change the might be into a "will be" saved, FAITH????

Faith won't pay the wages of sin, that's why without Jesus there is no "might be".

Just as Abraham's Faith in God was tried before righteousness was imputed to him, so is every one else, the plan has not changed,

Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried,

Ga 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

this is why Jesus can die for the sins of the whole world, that the whole world "MIGHT BE" saved, but any lacking "FAITH" in Jesus "WILL NOT" have his righteousness imputed to them.

Ro 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.

32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith,

And like Abraham, every person must decide whether to believe or not, God calls, but he doesn't force, few believe, few are chosen to be saved.

 

So what happens to all the people in third world countries that never have the opportunity to hear about Christ, are they saved too? Are they not accountable for their sins? Paul says in Romans 1

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

We have no excuse for our sins, and definitely do not have a "Sin for free until your twenty-three" card.

 

Between those who have the law, and those who by nature, obey the law, and those who knew little being beating with few stripes compared to those who knew much, and God judging the "heart" rather than what we see/believe,

I'd say it will be a Judgment/Justice based on "knowledge" far greater than man is able to comprehend.

I'm glad I don't have to Judge them, and I wouldn't recommend it for anyone else either.

 

Acts 2:39 - Peter then says baptism is specifically given to children as well as adults. “Those far off” refers to those who were at their “homes” (primarily infants and children). God's covenant family includes children. The word "children" that Peter used comes from the Greek word "teknon" which also includes infants.

(How do you get out of that it meant the children at home )

38: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39: For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

(I have 3 children they are 40, 41 and 42, think it might of meant mine?)

Need I go on!!

 

So our sins are covered but our unbelief is not? And we are not accountable unless and until we have heard and understood and rejected the gospel?

And people say that Calvinism is built on human logic. Sheesh.

 

No kidding.

Then know one in lost jungles will go to hell since they never heard or understood the gospel.
For that matter, many americans won't go to hell because they never heard the gospel.
I got it! Let's stop preaching the gospel so we won't have to make people reject and thus go to hell!

 

Care to back that up with the Bible rather than emotion?

 

Again, lets not tell people they are sinners and what sin is so that they won't go to hell.

 

MOre emotion and nothing to back it up.

BB, please use the Bible and not your emotions to make your points.
What part of "born dead in tresspasses and sins" do you not understand?

 

Did you just make that up or what? I would rather you use your emotions than make something up!!

 

I apologize, I was away from my Bible when I posted that one.
I got two verses mixed up:

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
And
Ps 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

We inherit a sin nature and are even after birth even until the time of salvation.

There is never an age of "innocence"

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved


We are conceived in sin and we are dead until we are regenerated or "quickened" so what is the point where we first die? I don't see the distinction