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Which denoms are Christian enough for the Other Christian Denominations forum?

Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by mioque, Dec 18, 2004.

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  1. Latin Rite Catholicism (Roman Catholicism)

    63.0%
  2. Eastern Rite Catholicism (Byzantine Catholicism)

    1.4%
  3. Eastern-Orthodoxy (for example Greek-Orthodox)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Oriental Orthodoxy (for example Ethiopian-Orthodox)

    9.6%
  5. Messianic Jews

    6.8%
  6. Methodism

    2.7%
  7. Calvinism (Reformed churches)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. The Pentecostal movement

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Lutheranism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Seven Day Adventism

    4.1%
  11. Mormonism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Jehovah's Witnesses

    12.3%
  13. Anglicanism

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. neal4christ

    neal4christ New Member

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    I am sorry you are "sick." I am not "trying to pin the blame" on anyone. I was honestly thanking him. It is my own choice, and one that I am not ashamed of or regret. Hostile attitudes did "help" me to want to study what the Church really taught.

    Calm down a bit and show a little more love. [​IMG]

    -NeAl
     
  2. Marcia

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    I was really surprised to find so many votes for JW's and Mormons as Christians! :eek:

    Even when this thread was called "Other Religions" it was not open for people of all other religions to post -- all posts beneath the Baptist Only boards are for "Christians." The title, "Other Religions" was a name for topics to be posted here, not for those posting.

    Until that is changed, non-Christians should not be allowed to post here at all unless they change that policy and make it clear we do not consider such churches as the Mormon or JW groups to be Christian.

    Faiths that deny the essential docrines of God or Christ should not be called Christian: Oneness denominations, JW's, Unitarians, or Mormons. They all deny essentials of the faith regarding the nature of God or deity of Christ.

    I have no problem debating with or dialoguing with non-Christians but the forums should not be marked "Christian" if that is allowed, as it would be a bad witness for people to think we consider those religions as Christian.
     
  3. Gina B

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    I am sorry you are "sick." I am not "trying to pin the blame" on anyone. I was honestly thanking him. It is my own choice, and one that I am not ashamed of or regret. Hostile attitudes did "help" me to want to study what the Church really taught.

    Calm down a bit and show a little more love. [​IMG]

    -NeAl
    </font>[/QUOTE]You're sincerely thanking the wrong person then. You say you're not ashamed, but you should be. I'm ashamed that most likely it was the influence of people from this board of the Catholic persuasion that helped lead you away from the truth.
    If I had no love for you I'd pat you on the back and congratulate you for your choice. I'm not doing that, as this decision you have made affects no only you spiritually, but that of any children you may have.
    The lure and appeal of something that gleans a bit of controversy among one's normal peers is strong, and the feeling of being hated and persecuted plays to the martyr in people and pushes them to believe even more in their aberrant thinking. I sincerely hope that you haven't confused those emotions with conviction, as it's extremely easy to do.
    The plain and simple truth lies in Christ alone, to be found within His one and only Word.
    If you are relying on anything other than Christ for your salvation, if you are attempting to use a human priest or anyone but Christ as a mediator between you and God, if you pray to any dead human, you are completely and totally going against the truth and sinning against God if you continue to do such.
    Gina
     
  4. Born Again Catholic

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    Gina

    The statements of many on this board are so over the top false regarding Catholic Church, Someone who even does a cursory examination of the facts would have to question the motives of the people making them.

    Thus it is your very actions helping to drive others to the Church. God can always bring good out of an evil deed. You purged all the most eloquent Catholic posters from the Board for evangelizing to effectively to their Baptist brothers but many Baptist from here are still on the journey of coming home to the Catholic Church.

    Rather than trying to suppress the truth or covering the truth I would encourage you to invite the Catholic posters back, if you think they "lie"/mislead prove it in open dialogue rather than in slanderous accusations.

    God Bless
     
  5. Gina B

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    Yes, and perhaps I'll invite some Buddhists to take over part of my children's religious education. :rolleyes:
    If I see a quarter and call it a quarter, and you see a quarter and call it a dime, there's really not much for us to talk about.
    You know the truth, it has been posted on this board and is contained in the Bible.
    You choose to believe there's more to it, that it's not enough, and that is wrong of you.
    End of story.
    You made your choice after being offered the truth various times. There's nothing more to say, I have no interest in debating why a quarter is not a dime.
    Gina
     
  6. Born Again Catholic

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    Whose truth is that Gina? Have you seen the Baptist only section of this board? Obviously it is only your truth that you discern to be true?

    What makes your Biblical interpretations authoritative, do your Baptist brothers who disagree with you on doctrine have the same authority from God to interpret scripture authoritatively?

    Which of these "authoritative interpretations" will you teach your children to accept or will you teach them that they have the right to offer yet another diverging opinion that is all their own. When they come up with something you strongly disagree with will they label you a heretic and vice versa.

    This is precisely why the beliefs of protestants change from generation to generation, and will undoubtedly continue to do so. Clearly you wish to perpetuate this error to future generations.
     
  7. DHK

    DHK <b>Moderator</b>

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    This is a false accusation that Catholics like to put up and then gloat in. The fact is, however, in the area of soteriology and Christology, the evangelical camp has little or no disagreement. The reason is that they use the Bible for their final authority, and not some godless tradition made by godless men.
    The Catholic does not teach or preach the gospel, and it never has. In every age of history it has done its dead level best to supress the truth of the Word of God. Some of the best known examples of that is in the Spanish Inquisition, and the supression of the truth by genuine Bible scholars like William Tyndale--who translated the Bible into the English language. To give such honor and greatfulness for this monumental work of Tyndale (from which we owe the KJV), the Catholic Church imprisoned Tyndale, then burned him at the stake, and then took all the copies of the translation of the Bible that they could find, and burned them.
    A lover of the gospel? No!
    A surpresser of truth? Yes!
    A persecuter of Christians? It still is to this day.
    DHK
     
  8. Bro. James

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    God shall send them strong delusion that they would believe a lie.

    Why are we upset with the fulfillment of prophecy?

    The lost need prayer not railing accusations.

    Preach The Word, let the Holy Spirit take care of the conversions.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
  9. MEE

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    Marcia, let's clear something up! OK? [​IMG]

    I really can't speak for the JW's, Unitarians, or the Mormons, but I do know that the Oneness saints of God do not deny the deity of Christ. If anything, they of all people know that Jesus was God, in the flesh and not subordinate to the Father. We also know that there is only One God and not three. Get the picture? ;) Father, Son, and Holy Ghost...and these three are ONE! [​IMG] 1 John 5:7

    BTW, before everyone keeps putting the Catholic Church down, do some research and you will find that is where your doctrine of the Trinity originated, due to their dislike of the belief in One God.

    I would post a link to that, but it would be deleted. :(

    MEE [​IMG]
     
  10. Marcia

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    Marcia, let's clear something up! OK? [​IMG]

    I really can't speak for the JW's, Unitarians, or the Mormons, but I do know that the Oneness saints of God do not deny the deity of Christ. If anything, they of all people know that Jesus was God, in the flesh and not subordinate to the Father. We also know that there is only One God and not three. Get the picture? ;) Father, Son, and Holy Ghost...and these three are ONE! [​IMG] 1 John 5:7
    </font>[/QUOTE]I hope everyone reads this to see that this Board allows Oneness followers who deny the Trinity to post as Christians. Mee, trinitarians do not believe in 3 Gods but we've been through this before in other threads.

    The Oneness belief was denounced as heresy in the 3rd century and is still considered heresy.. Oneness followers deny one of the essential, biblical beliefs about the nature of God.
     
  11. Gina B

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    Yes, the board does so far Marcia.
    I personally have no problem with that concept. Mee hasn't said there are not three distinct parts to God, she has said that the three make up one God.

    For the life of me I can't figure out how that's any different than the Trinity, but if you don't want to call it a Trinity why should you have to?

    Gina
     
  12. MEE

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    Thank you Gina! [​IMG]

    MEE [​IMG]
     
  13. DHK

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    Gina
    MEE believes there are three manifestations of God, not three persons in one God. She does not believe that three persons of God can be present at any one time.
    www.upci.org

    They also believe that both tongues and baptism are necessary to salvation. These are heretical doctrines and made salvation a works salvation--not of grace, not of faith; but of works. It is the exact opposite of Eph. 2:8,9
    DHK
     
  14. Gina B

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    Don't Baptists believe that the Trinity is three manifestations of God? Don't we teach the meaning of the name Emmanuel as being "God with us"? Don't we call Christ Emmanuel? :confused:
    Gina
     
  15. A_Christian

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    I am sorry you are "sick." I am not "trying to pin the blame" on anyone. I was honestly thanking him. It is my own choice, and one that I am not ashamed of or regret. Hostile attitudes did "help" me to want to study what the Church really taught.

    Calm down a bit and show a little more love. [​IMG]

    -NeAl
    </font>[/QUOTE]I guess we need to ask the question, "What does the Church teach?" In love, of course...
     
  16. DHK

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    No, we don't believe in three manifestations of God. God manifested himself in the Lord Jesus Christ when God became flesh incarnate. But the trinity always remained intact. There were always three persons in the Godhead--three persons, yet one God. Oneness have a problem with passages like Mat. 3:16

    Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    Jesus (as God) is being baptized.
    The Spirit of God (as God) is descending upon Him.
    God the Father's voice is heard from Heaven.

    All three persons of the trinity are mentioed here in these two verses and are present at the same time. One is not a manifestation of the other. God is not manifested in the Son, leaving the other two out in the cold. All three are mentioned together. We have a perfect example of the trinity, working in harmony. All three are deity. The Godhead is right here. Do we dare take away deity from any one of these persons. MEE would deny that not all three are persons.
    DHK
     
  17. Gina B

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    Isn't believing in three separate gods a heresy called polytheism?
    Gina
     
  18. DHK

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    The church teaches salvation is by works and not by faith. That is why baptism is necessary.
    The church has constantly taught that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. That is a teaching that every cult teaches. The Biblical teaching is that there is no salvation outside of Christ.
    The Church denies the sufficiency of the atoning blood of Christ. If Christ's blood was sufficient enough to atone for all of our sins, then there would be no need for purgatory where one has to suffer even more for their sins.
    The church teaches transubstantiation, a heresy in its own right.
    The church teaches infant baptism even though there is not one case of one infant ever being baptized in the Bible. It is another heresy.
    The Church teaches indulgences, the heretical doctrine that the days of suffering in purgatory can be shortened by purchasing indulgences with filthy lucre.
    The Church teaches confession of sins to a priest, whereas the Bible teaches that every believer is a priest before God. The only priest we have is our Great High Priest, the Lord Jesus Christ, to whom every believer has access to.
    All of the doctrines concerning Mariolotry are heretical: perpetual virginity of Mary, the assumption of Mary, the immaculate conception, Mary as co-redemptrix, etc.
    The Church teaching of praying to the saints, and praying to Mary. This falls in the category of necromancy--praying to the dead, and is condemned in the Bible.
    The Church teaching of praying to idols--Idolatry is expreessly forbidden in the Bible.

    These are some good ones for starters.
    (By "church" I, of course mean the Roman Catholic Church)
    DHK
     
  19. DHK

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    Yes, but they don't believe in three separate gods. They believe in one God, but three manifestations of God. God is one. But there are not three persons in God. They deny the trinity here. One member of the trinity is a manifestation of another. But God is still one.

    See here for more help:

    http://www.carm.org/oneness.htm

    DHK
     
  20. MEE

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    Can I play this little game of "Post a link?"...oh I forgot my hands are tied. (Baptist Forum Rules)..that's OK, it's the rules.

    DHK, I just thank God that I found Him before I ran into the deceptive one.

    MEE [​IMG]
     
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