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Inerrancy Poll #4

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Ed Edwards, Aug 27, 2005.

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  1. -1. the Bible has errors (i.e. is NOT inerrant)

    2.0%
  2. 0. the Bible has minor errors but is still useful

    8.1%
  3. 1. The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues

    2.0%
  4. 2. inerrant on all issues like historic/scientific

    58.6%
  5. 3 .The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs

    13.1%
  6. 4. inerrant only in the KJV1611 Authorized Version

    6.1%
  7. 5. inerrant in any English translation based on the TR

    8.1%
  8. 6. inerrant in all faithful English translations

    2.0%
  9. 7.inerrant as applied by _____ (post person or group)

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  1. TCassidy

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    Would you please, just once, actually look into a subject before stating your silly opinions? If you would just read his profile you would know he was born April 07, 1979. That makes him 26 years old. Granted, that is very young. My youngest is considerably older than he. My oldest will be 41 in December. I have grandkids almost as old as he. But that does not excuse your failure to do a little research. He's 26. Get over it!

    Now, with all that said, I will admit he is amazingly ignorant on much of this issue (but less so than you). And that he considers his opinions to be "natural law" and will defend even his most ridiculous and idiotic statements (but no worse than you). All of that could be passed off as a function of age, but it probably isn't. It is more likely a function of his personality. So, get off the age thing. Everybody with an IQ greater than his hat size already knows he is 26!
     
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    So, you admit the KJV is "leaven!" Amazing! What version are you going to switch to?
     
  3. HanSola2000

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    I wonder if he still lives at home?
     
  4. HanSola2000

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    Admit it Cass, that was funny!
     
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    Not to people with IQs greater than their hat size. When I was 26, I didn't live at home. I was out of college, in the Army, and very much on my own. I assume, again, because his profile, which you obviously still have not read says he is a student. When I was in college I lived on campus. When I was in Seminary I lived in a rented house with my wife. There are very few students who live at home while attending either college or seminary.
     
  6. El_Guero

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    Yes, he lives at home. What else would home be?

    I do not consider ridiculing a man about his age to be funny in a humorous manner. I would consider that sort of juvenile humor to be funny as in 'weird'.
     
  7. HanSola2000

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    Really? You mean, you have talked to every college student that has ever lived or lives right now, and have ascertained your statement that very few of them lived or live at home while in college? I guess you have never heard of community colleges. tens of thousands of students are there right now and still live at home. Anyway, I'm going to start calling you Doc Crass becasue you have no sense of humor and you won't lighten up at all. I don't think I have ever been this [patient with another poster who keeps attacking me(not just what I believe). You keep it up, and I'll just have to pray for you again. I wonder, have you prayed for me? I asked the Lord to bless you and heal you of any pain you might still have in your heart. I never meant to offend you like I did. I didn't know! And I'm still sorry. It just seems you like attacking me. Its OK, it really doesn't bother me, but it hardly enables you to post level-headedely to me, and so I must discount much of what you say, becasue it is mostly heat rather than substance. But I root for you when you are thunping others(nicely of course) and defending the TR view. Anyway, have a blessed night, I have to clean my office. I have books all over the place. maybe you can come over and help me file them all, esp the Misc ones, that I don't know where to put.(smile).
     
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    How did you go from not knowing that DD was a college student to thinking he is "every college student that has ever lived?"
     
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    This is a great example of how far a KJVO will go to change the subject. They care not who they hurt along the way. Winning is all that matters.

    Lets assume everything that Hansola has assumed is correct. His complete failure to do even the most simple research not withstanding.

    Does the fact that I am 26 mean that I cannot read and research this subject?

    If I lived at home, what difference does that make to the current topic at hand? What if I normally lived on campus, but in August my father had a heart attack, and nearly died, and so I decided to move home for one semester in order to help my family? Would the fact that I am moving back on campus in January now make my words more trustworthy? Would the reasons why I am 26 and will graduate in May even matter? Would you care to know what happened to cause that?

    No, you wouldnt. You would rather speak out of your ignorance and insult people as much as you can. I willingly gave up my freedom for my family. I am getting married this summer, after I graduate, and I dont see how any of this is relevant to the discussion at hand.

    You win, Hansola. I will not stay in this discussion for you to insult me since I moved home for one semester because of my father almost losing his life.

    You dont care to discuss bible versions. You dont care to learn. You dont care to teach. You dont care to share information nor ideas. You want to silence your opponents by whatever means necessary, even if it means breaking them down with no reason. You have succeeded here. Goodbye.
     
  10. HanSola2000

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    Cass saith:

    There are very few students who live at home while attending either college or seminary


    That is why I mentioned community colleges and asked you if you have spoken with every college student that has ever lived or is alive now. YOU SAID "very few' of them live at home while in college. I asked you how do you KNOW this??? My point is you don't. Thousands ofthem are home right now while in school.

    Anyway, I'm sorry you guys don't have a sense of humor. And DD, if i want to take a little detour and talk to someone about something, or try to be funny, what is that to you? You are a control freak! You want to ban people from posting if they don't answer all your silly questions, most of which are disingenuous and are not really questions anyway. Don't tell me what to do. I often ignore you becasue you are a knucklehead.
     
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    HanSola2000

    You could apologize ... That would be an appropriate Christian responce after praying to the Almighty God about this situation.

    Or you could choose to call me a knucklehead ... Actually the Harley I rode was a shovel ... but knucklehead is close enough.

    DD you have my prayers. My father passed away a year ago September. It is never an easy time.
     
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    Wow! Do you really think that about a bible? If so, do you think the "little leaven" found in the KJV at Matthew 10:8, where the words "raise the dead" are found ONLY IN THE ALEXANDRIAN TEXT leavens the whole KJV? </font>[/QUOTE]Mt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:


    6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

    7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

    8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

    The Bible claims to be a "Spiritual Book" teaching of "Spiritual matters", do you think he was refering to the "literal dead" or the "Spiritual dead"?? (unsaved)

    How do we "cast out devils", literally, as Jesus did, or is the war a "SPIRITUAL BATTLE"??

    "Sick" are the "Spiritually sick".

    Mt 9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.


    "Lepers", spots in the flesh. (Sin)

    Le 13:38 If a man also or a woman have in the skin of their flesh bright spots, even white bright spots;

    2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, (with sin) sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;

    Mt 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee

    1. an hungred, (Bread of life)

    2. or athirst, (woman at the well)

    3. or a stranger, (never heard the gospel)

    4. or naked, (no robe of righteousness)

    5. or sick, (Spiritually hopeless)

    6. or in prison, (Held captive by sin)

    and did not minister unto thee?

    Mt 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

    The objective is to "save souls", not "flesh".

    Your "Carnal interpretation" of what Jesus was saying/meaning is not what he was referring too.
     
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    You seem, once again, to have entirely missed the point. You claim the KJV comes from the "pure stream" which you say is the TR/Traditional text, but the phrase "raise the dead" in Matthew 10:8 is found ONLY in the Alexandrian texts. You can't explain it away with a lot of empty rhetoric. Either the "pure stream" is polluted with an Alexandrian reading, or the Alexandrian reading is correct. Which is it? Is the KJV wrong or is the Alexandrian text right?
     
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    This thread is not about DD's age or student status. Could we return to the topic at hand?
     
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    Thank you voter #30! [​IMG]

    Your vote is appreciated!!
     
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    Thank you voter #31! [​IMG]

    Your vote is highly appreciated!!
     
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    You seem, once again, to have entirely missed the point. You claim the KJV comes from the "pure stream" which you say is the TR/Traditional text, but the phrase "raise the dead" in Matthew 10:8 is found ONLY in the Alexandrian texts. You can't explain it away with a lot of empty rhetoric. Either the "pure stream" is polluted with an Alexandrian reading, or the Alexandrian reading is correct. Which is it? Is the KJV wrong or is the Alexandrian text right? </font>[/QUOTE]Here again you're attempting to use "Carnal knowledge" to prove a "Spiritual matter", Wrong.

    Translation can't be "Word for word", they wouldn't make sense to anyone.

    Tyndale "Coined" many "phrases" that wasn't "word for word", but nevertheless, had the same "Spiritual" meaning as the original.

    The Bible's "Perfection" can't been "SEEN" with the "NAKED" eye, no more than the Perfection in Jesus could be seen "WITHOUT" the "SPIRIT".

    Everyone can see the "MAN", and read the "Book", but few can see the Perfection that exist in both.


    All the "JUDGMENTS" I've seen on the scriptures so far are based on "Carnal knowledge/wisdom",

    I haven't seen one instance of the scriptures being "Broken" by this "Carnal knowledge".

    What to try that next???
     
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    &lt;sigh&gt; I wish you would do just a little study before posting. In case you didn't know it, the phrase "carnal knowledge" refers to a sexual relationship. It has nothing to do with bible translation.
    I never said anything about "word for word." The words translated "raise the dead" are not in any Greek manuscripts except the Alexandrian. That is the point you keep missing.
    Tyndale did not coin the phrase "raise the dead." It comes directly from the Alexandrian text.
    The words "raise the dead" can't be seen with the naked eye in any Greek manuscript except the Alexandrian.
    Then I must assume you are claiming perfection for the Alexandrian manuscripts, for they are the only manuscripts the words "raise the dead" appear in.
    What does sexual relations have to do with the discussion? We are talking about "raise the dead" in Matthew 10:8. It is in the KJV, which you claim is "perfect" but it comes from the Alexandrian manuscripts which you claim are "corrupt." So, let me ask you again, is the KJV "corrupt" for relying on an Alexandrian reading or are the Alexandrian manuscripts "perfect?
    I'm still waiting for you to answer the question.
     
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    You still aren't getting the point. Either the KJV is NOT perfect or the Alexandrian text is NOT corrupt. Which is it?
     
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