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How Many Revisions of the AV1611?

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Dr. Bob, May 23, 2003.

  1. Pastor Larry

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    So here we go again ... When you have no Scripture to back up your position, just cry out "spiritual discernment" and expect everyone else ot bow to your opinion. You have yet to show even one fact that proves your position. You have yet to show one issue of "spiritual discernment" that does not involve your personal opinion. The reality is that your personal views and opinions do not constitute the measuring stick for "spiritual discernment." Therefore, the vast majority of orthodox Christianity with spiritual discernment does not hold your view.

    As soon as you bring something other than your opinion to the table, you will find that most of us will be willing to listen to you. However, for those of us for whom the Bible is the authority, we reject the methods of argumentation that you use. It simply does not carry the authority that Scripture does.
     
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    So what you are saying is that the opinions of others is you're final authority now,not the Bible?
     
  3. HankD

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    Correct Pastor Larry RE: Opinion vs spiritual discernment.

    The Traditional Text as a virtual copy of the Word of God is more of an opinion on my part (after no small amount of research) than coming from spiritual discernment as I stated in a previous post.

    HankD
     
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    Romans 9:1. I figure you will "yeah but" away what the Bible says anyhow.
    Which bible? what scripture? Don't you mean "reliable translations?"
     
  5. Terry_Herrington

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    MV-neverist,
    You site Romans 9:1 as some sort of a proof text for the KJVonly position? This scripture has nothing to do with bible translation at all. Please explain yourself?
     
  6. Pastor Larry

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    Rom 9:1 doesn't address translations or texts in any way. There is no reason for that verse to be brought up here. This is a prime example of what I am talking about when I talk of the misuse of Scripture by the KJVOs. Paul is no doubt rolling over in his grave, struggling between laughter and frustration at the way that his words are used by some.

    The Word of God that is found in reliable translations. It is what orthodox Christianity has always believed. I accept the authority of any good translaton, including the KJV. The problem is that you cannot even prove your point from the KJV.
     
  7. AV Defender

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    OK,lets see what "thus sayeth the Lord";John 16:13,Proverbs 22:17-21,and 2 Corinthians 2:9-13.Now if that doesn't show that God shows us what is truth,then I don't know what to tell you.Looks like discernment is a determing factor! see Hebrews 5:14,1st Cor 12:10,1st Cor 2:14.
    I just did.
    We'll see.
    Will you also reject What saith the Lord??
     
  8. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Hello?!! ya'll wanted verses for discernment,remember??
     
  9. Pastor Larry

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    Which of these verses identifies the KJV as the only word of God? That is the fallacy of your opinion. You quote all these verses, which have nothing to do with the issue and then claim my spiritual discernment is the problem. I have enough spiritual discernment to know that using verses out of context removes all authority from them.

    So you fail yet again.

    Nope. I will not. So show me where The Lord saith that we should use only teh KJV. I will listen to anything He says.
     
  10. AV Defender

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    You were making reference to discernment remember?? lets not change the subject. The Scripture(KJB) CLEARLY supports the Lord showing me the truth.And it CLEARLY supports Spirtual discernment. It would seem you cannot see the forest because of the trees.
     
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    Well,we saw.
     
  12. Pastor Larry

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    You were making reference to discernment remember?? lets not change the subject. The Scripture(KJB) CLEARLY supports the Lord showing me the truth.And it CLEARLY supports Spirtual discernment. It would seem you cannot see the forest because of the trees. </font>[/QUOTE]You must not be following along very closely here. The topic is not the existence of spiritual discernment. We all agree that it exists. The issue is that FFF claimed that spiritual discernment would inevitably lead to one believing his opinion. I reject that since I have spiritual discernment and reject the position that both he and you hold.

    The existence of spiritual discernment is not the key phrase. Had you been following more closely, you would have known that.

    As to your first statement, the Scriptures (KJV or otherwise) do not "clearly" support the Lord showing you the truth on this matter. The Lord shows people the truth through his word. So far, you have miserably failed to demonstrate that the Lord's word teaches what you are teaching. You have not just failed today; you have failed miserably for months. It should be setting in by now.

    MVNeverist, As for what you saw, you saw once again that someone failed to use Scripture to support their view and that I rightly rejected it. You saw what should be consistent with every Bible believer. We are instructed to prove all things; hold fast to that which is good. I have proven this topic and have held fast to that which is good while rejecting that which is bad. I reject false doctrine, plain and simple. Until you, or someone of your belief, demonstrates your position from Scripture, we have no choice but to reckon it as false doctrine. You cannot mandate your personal opinions for other believers. We are bound by God's word, not yours.

    You threw out a verse that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic of translations and claimed to have spiritual discernment. Spiritual discernment does not misuse the word of God.
     
  13. neal4christ

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    Did Jesus mean just the KJV when He said Scripture? Or Paul? I think not. :rolleyes:

    Neal
     
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    We're off topic, and have been for some time. Game over.
     
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