Who are God's chosen people?

This might also have to do with the crusades that the catholics did. You know, when they sought to purge the Jesus killers. Many Jews associate catholics with christians. This is so tragic.

 

This road has been gone down many times before. Some dogs just won't hunt.

If you don't believe Jesus Christ, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, is going to Rule and Reign from the Throne of David in Jerusalem for 1000 years, then you don't believe the Bible, period.

Abiyah is right, the church is grafted into Israel. The graft does not take the place of the root. The Abrahamic Covenant (root) still stands. God did not cancel it out and God does not break His covenants. The Bible is clear in that one day (in the not too distant future), all of the Nation of Israel will be saved when the scales fall from their eyes and they realize that Yeshua is the Messiah promised long ago ! PTL!

Some of you continue to confuse spiritual Israel with the Nation of Israel. You should be praying the Nation of Israel repents, realizes Who their Redeemer is, and turns back to God instead of sounding like their enemies and the suicide bombers! I have to wonder about a Christian who doesn't feel a special bond with Israel and the Jews. If it weren't for the Jews, you wouldn't have the Messiah, you wouldn't have Jesus. You would be eternally lost. If it weren't for the early Church (comprised mainly of Jews), who spread the Gospel to Gentile nations, you would be lost. A big debt is owed to the Jews and Nation of Israel for that alone!

When you try to slip in that old replacement theory or whatever you want to call it and try to denigrate Israel, you'll get this old SheEagle's feathers ruffled up every time! And my talons will come out for sure! Remember, the mighty Eagle holds olive branches in one talon, but sharp arrows in the other!

Now a prayer request:

I have a good friend who is a Jew. His Jewish father was a Baptist pastor for many years and died a couple of months ago. His mother is a Jewess but she is not saved and that is heartbreaking. How can one be a Baptist pastor's wife for over 50 some years and not be a believer? She doesn't believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah. She has said so.

This is a heavy burden for my friend who knows his mother will die lost unless she accepts Jesus Christ as the Messiah and her Savior. Please help me pray with him for his mother's salvation. She is in her 80s - not much time left on this earth. Thank you.

 

John 4 he said...I must needs pass through Samaria...you guys can read the rest...somewhere around vs.22 Jesus says something interesting...at least to me it is.

It is a wrong view of the kingdom which makes us (frogman included) to wonder about these things.

God Bless.
Bro. Dallas

 

1. While I agree with the fact that Christ will reign from Jerusalem for 1,000 years, the phrase "don't believe the Bible" doesn't make a lot of sense.

2. No, the church is not grafted into Israel. In Romans 11, Paul says that GENTILES (the church is neither Jew nor Gentile) are grafted into the holy root. The holy root is not Israel. Good grief. Israel is a branch.

At this point I would like to say that Sheeagle is posting Clarence Larking kind of teaching. He was way off base. He is not the spokesman for dispensationalism. I am so ashamed that he spouts that name.

3. What was that covenant? Those who bless you will be blessed. Those who curse you will be cursed. We already know that Jews of the first century "blessed" Abraham. Christ said they were children of satan and that God would raise up new children from the stones.

Modern day Israel curses God because it has rejected God for almost 2,000 years. How do they fall under the protection of blessing when the curse Abraham?

It is a FUTURE generation of Jews that will fulfill that promise. Current Israel is apostate, antichrist, and in absolute rebellion. Remember, they are enemies according to the GOSPEL. What does that mean Sheeagle?

 

How far into the future? Perhaps this is the future generation. Ah-ha! Time will tell.

Question: If today's nation of Israel is accursed as you say, where are all the Jews (besides New York City) ? Explain where they are if not in the Nation of Israel! Ah-ha!

We have been down this road before. Rev. Larkin walked closer to the Lord by the testimony of his life than many, many I've seen posting on this board, myself included.

 

What does the olive tree represent in Scriptures,
David Daniel?

 

"Bad theology" is just your opinion.

Larkin's "theology" was gleaned from many more years of Biblical study and spiritual maturity than many who post on this Board.

 

Here's an informative URL that shows the link between Christian Zionism and Irving and Darby, and which presents the other side of the coin:- Christian Zionism ; it explains far better than I can why I consider it to be a false doctrine.

Here's an interesting excerpt, based on Gal 4:-

"Christian Zionism only thrives on a futurist and literal hermeneutic when Old Testament promises made to the ancient Jewish people are transposed on to the contemporary State of Israel. To do so it is necessary to ignore, marginalise or bi-pass the New Testament which reinterprets, annuls and fulfils those promises in and through Jesus Christ and his followers. This is no where more evident than in Galatians 4 where we are taught that we should no longer regard unbelieving Jews as descendants of Sarah and Isaac but of Hagar and Ishmael.

Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born in the ordinary way; but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a promise. These things may be taken figuratively, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother... Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. (Galatians 4:21-28)

The promises made to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph are therefore now to be understood as fulfilled only through those who follow Jesus Christ, for they alone are designated the true children of Abraham and Sarah. Jews who reject Jesus Christ are outside the covenant of grace and are to be regarded as children of Hagar. Paul takes Sarah's words of Genesis 21:10 and applies them to the Judaizers who were corrupting the faith of the church in Galatia.

Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman's son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman's son. (Galatians 4:30)

This paper has attempted to show why this injunction should be applied today toward those who demonstrate the same legalizing tendencies within Christian Zionism. This is no excuse for arrogance or anti-Semitisim which we all abhor. With sensitivity and compassion we are mandated to share our faith in Jesus praying that our Jewish friends find their Messiah and complete their faith. However, any suggestion that the Jewish people continue to have a special status before God, a separate and continuing covenant or exclusive rights to the lands of the Middle East is, in the words of John Stott, 'biblical anathema.'119 Stott gives three reasons why Christian Zionism should be regarded as beyond the boundaries of evangelicalism

1. The Old Testament promises about the Jews' return to the land are comforted by promises of the Jews' return to the Lord. It is hard to see how that secular, unbelieving State of Israel can possibly be a fulfillment of those prophecies.

2. The Old Testament promises about the land are nowhere repeated in the New Testament. The prophecy of Romans 11 is a prophecy that many Jews will turn to Christ, but the land is not mentioned nor is Israel mentioned as a political entity...

3. The Old Testament promises according to the apostles are fulfilled in Christ and the international community of Christ. The New Testament authors apply the promise of Abraham's seed to Jesus Christ. And they apply to Jesus Christ the promise of the land and all the land which is inherited, the land flowing with milk and honey, because it is in him that our hunger is satisfied and out thirst quenched. A return to Jewish nationalism would seem incompatible with this New Testament perspective of the international community of Jesus."


Another believer on the New Covenant.

Yours in Christ

Matt