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Terri's parents not allowed to say goodbye

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Gina B, Oct 15, 2003.

  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    Who is paying for all of this medical care.

    Medical care is a scare resource. Medical science can pretty much keep a body alive perpetually.

    We are going to have to deal with this as a society when it comes to the cost of extraordinary care.

    Yes, painful decisions will have to be made. But we can't pay for extraordinary for every single individual for perhaps decades for each person just to keep their body alive.
     
  2. ForYourGlory

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    I know exactly what your talking about Bro. James.
    And it breaks my heart how COLD and UNCARING the world is becoming. And Christians are now beginning to fall into that same trap as the world. Our views are to be different than the worlds.....we should know the difference. I suggest that some of you look into what it means to be starved to death. And you should look into the facts about Terri and why people are fighting for her life. How about getting some information from a reliable source and a good Christian source and stop listening to and reading the main stream worldly biased garbage that you seem to put so much faith into. Oops, now I'm angry. But aren't we supposed to be angry at the evil in this world? I'm done, and will say NO more!
     
  3. KenH

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    When responsible people have a pet that no longer has a viable life they have him put to sleep.

    Sometimes I think we treat our pets better in these obviously hopeless situations than we do people.

    To simply remove the food tube in this situation does not sound cruel at all since we don't put people to sleep like pets are. If her parents want to stay with her and try to feed her normally after all of this time of extraordinary medical care, and take care of her, and her husband does not want to, then that is the way to go, in my opinion, and that is what they should be petitioning the court for - and not for the continued extraordinary care.
     
  4. dianetavegia

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    Betty, if this were artificial breathing or some other form of 'life support' I'd agree with this decision. Witholding food and drink, when the parents have offered to take her home and take care of her, is a totally different matter.

    There's a young woman in Atlanta who went into a coma because of some rare and undiagnosed condition. The family has her at home, feeds her through a stomach tube and prays for her healing or just for the medical professionals to learn enough to help someone else. Her twin sister has it also but has not had any symptoms so far other than some hearing loss.

    Diane
     
  5. Thankful

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    Perhaps I don't understand what life support is.

    Perhaps I should not have believed doctors whom I highly respect when they assured me that doing without food for a dying person is not really starvation and that it is not what we consider starving.

    All I know is that this case has emphasized the necessity to have a Living Will to give family instructions as to what to do in cases like this.

    I continue to pray for all concerned as I know that their hearts are breaking and for Terri that she will not suffer any more than she already has.
     
  6. Molly

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    I agree with Diane...she does not have life support...she lives and breathes on her own,she just has to have help to eat and drink. Having a machine breathe for you is much different than a feeding tube.

    I think what the courts are doing is wrong. I feel very badly for the parents of this young lady. I think they should be able to care for her,if they want to.

    Molly
     
  7. blackbird

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    Five or so years before my mother passed away to Glory Land--she requested of myself, my brother and sister that there be no "machines" to keep her alive or prolong her life--she contracted lung cancer and was undergoing chemo--in which I was in the exam room with her early on in her treatment--along with the oncologist. He told her, "Mrs. Crowe! You know one day this disease is gonna get you, don't you?"

    "Yes Sir I do!"

    "What do you want to do when that day arrives??"

    "Put me on NO CODE! Do not resusitate!"

    Later on a Cardiologist wanted to do a heart cath---had some trouble with her breathing and told my brother, sister and I---"I can't proceed with the cath--she has on her chart a DNR with no medical assistance in resusitation---if I do the test I am afraid that in the condition she's in--I would have to "vent" her! I can't do it!"

    The day she passed away I watched her take that last breath---then the Glory of the Lord swooped down and the Chariot of Israel came and picked her spirit/soul up for a trip to Glory Land!!

    I don't know what I'm doing writing this---except to say---there is value to a human being--as long as there is life and breath there is hope! A chance! A glimmer of light!

    What this judge and husband is doing to this life is below human dignity and is brainless/heartless/gutless!

    My mom and dad are both passed away into Glory Land---both passed with dignity and through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ---and I can hardly wait to see them again--faced again with the same issue I was faced with then---I'd do it again and again!

    I will treat my wife with same dignity---and my children---and both my Father/Mother-in-law---they will get the love and attention they deserve faced in the hour of death that this lady we're writing about deserves!

    Last---we are moving to a point here in the USA---where we have given so called "powers" to certain people to "judge" us and our well being---there needs to be a line as to how far these brainless judges can take us before we say---"That's far enough!!"---we're winding up here---like the political/judicial system of NAZI Germany of the 30's and 40's---one unknown fact German citizens woke up to was the "mysterious dissappearing" of thousands of Nursing Home/Convolecent Home residents---just moved out of the way---because the "Furor" needed bed space for his wounded Waffen SS---and the German citizens were either powerless or were so naive they couldn't stop it! We're heading there---barring the Rapture/Resurrection---if this preacher lives long enough--he'll see the day that happens! And for me to "do the will of God" in acting as a husband/daddy to my sick wife or children---will cost me a jail sentence---I'll go---but not before I give them a "chance" in their final moments on Earth before the Chariot of Israel comes for them!

    Brother David
     
  8. dianetavegia

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    When will we become so 'immuned' to mistreatment of others that we begin to euthanize our elderly parents because they can no longer live alone?

    Seems to me that Jesus mentioned giving a cup of cool water to 'one of these' and is not this young woman possibly a test of our true 'spirit'? If we are so heartless as to allow this woman to be starved to death, then does our true nature not shine through?

    Diane
     
  9. I Am Blessed 24

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    That's the whole point Betty. She would not be dying if she wasn't being starved to death.

    The only reason I can possibly think of that this man would not let her parents take her home and care for her is the insurance money he will get when she is dead.

    After all, he has a 'new' family to support.
     
  10. dianetavegia

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    OR Maybe he's afraid Terri will be rehabilitated, be able to speak again and some information about her injuries and the cause of her heart attack will be different than the 'chemical imbalance' being blamed right now.

    KenH... I might have a very ill pet put to sleep but I would never allow that same pet to lie on my rug and starve to death. My sweet cat was quite ill a few months ago. He's quite old and I thought he was dying but still finger fed him tuna fish and gave him water from an eye dropper. Two days later I awake to find him on the bed, staring into my face and crying for food! Go figure! Praise the Lord I didn't give up and put him to sleep!

    Diane
     
  11. Molly

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    Diane,what caused her injuries? Is there a story on this?

    Thanks,
    Molly
     
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    I guess they did a poll through the Tampa Tribune or some other media down there, and 60% of the people thought that removing her feeding tube was the right thing to do. 60%!!! I was shocked! I have followed this case for a long time, and I never, ever, thought that any of the judges would actually follow through with the starvation death! That is beyond cruel and it makes me cry for her and her family. I pray for them all the time!
    As far as feeding her goes, or giving her drinks of water, they said that since she was denied 'swallowing therapy', she would probably aspirate it and choke to death? Something like that anyway. I just can't believe she wasn't given a chance at any kind of therapy to help better her life. There are many, many people in this world living in a vegetative state as she is, and no one is ordering them to starve to death! This is just a travesty! [​IMG]
    May God be with them.........
    Kristine

    By the way, you can go to
    http://www.wfla.com and click on Top Stories, and it will take you to their previous night's news broadcast, where you can see what they're reporting about this story.
     
  13. KenH

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    Amen. I haven't had to deal with the situation yet(thank God) but from those that have they say you can tell from your pet's eyes when he is ready to have his misery ended.
     
  14. I Am Blessed 24

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    Her husband has denied her ANY type of therapy all these years. He would not even let them give her antibiotics when she had an infection!

    He just wants to be rid of her...
     
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    This topic will close no sooner than 12am EST as it has reached 3 pages.
    I know it's still being posted on, so if I get a number of responses wishing it to be moved to another forum instead I'll do so instead of just closing it here altogether.
    Gina
     
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    Amen. I haven't had to deal with the situation yet(thank God) but from those that have they say you can tell from your pet's eyes when he is ready to have his misery ended. </font>[/QUOTE]Last month I had to have my little long haired chihuahua put to sleep, I loved that dog like my child, he slept with me, ate with me, was so spiled I just had to signle him, he lived to love. But he had seizures, and then they wouldn't stop, grand maul seizures, in 30 hours he had 20 of them in the lat few hours he had so many smaller seizures you couldn't could, he had at least one stroke which casued brain damage. I took him to the vet wed. afternoon, and wanted to try and save him, she said there was a slim chance, at 2:30am, he had suffered so long so much there was no there choice, as much as I loved him and thought nothing could make me do it, I knew he needed it,and I loved him enough to let him go.I could tell even he didn't want more.
     
  17. KenH

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    So sorry to hear that. [​IMG] May God comfort you. I understand the problem with seizures as our Miniature Poodle used to have awful seizures. We keep them under control by giving him phenobarbitol for probably 6-7 years now.
     
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    The poor little thing, it is awful on them.
    I wish that had been a option for us, but there was no way I could afford it for him.
     
  19. dianetavegia

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    I understand Donna. Many of us cannot afford our own health care, let alone medicines for our pets.

    Diane
     
  20. I Am Blessed 24

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    I have not been able to find a link yet; but on MSNBC this morning, the runner said that Gov. Jeb Bush is TRYING to intervene in Terri's case.
     
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