Hosea's Revival Perhaps After the Coming War in 2,003

Sorry, I didn't post on millennial.

I will still post on this Tuesday night more liekly for sure.

 

I'm back! Finally, I have time to post on millennium.

I was premill for a long time. While I was pretribber, I was premill same time.

When I learned the truths from the Bible, I decided to leave pretrib camp 10 1/2 years ago. But, I was still premill.

I was pre-wrath rapturist for 8 years. Then, finally I became posttrib completed 2 years ago.

While the same time, I became posttrib, I having troubles with the Bible on premillennialism. I realized, there is none mentioned on 'a thousand year' anywhere in the 65 books(not include Revelation)of the Bible.

Matthew chapter 13 troubled me mostly, that chapter do not fit with pretrib, pre-wrath, and premill doctrines.

Matthew 25:31-46 troubled me much. Matt. 25:31-46 is very obivously posttrib than pre-wrath and pretrib doctrine.

I looked in John 6:39,40,44, & 54 troubled me the worse on premill. These are not fit with pretrib and premill doctrine.

It simple saying "LAST day", it does not saying 1260 days or 2520 days, or 42 months, or 84 months, or 1000 years or 1007 years. It simple saying, " LAST day". It means, final day for the mankind era of the earth, that day Christ comes to earth at the Second Advent.

Revelation chapter 20 shows lot of figuratives and symbols. Not just for Revelation 20 only, also, the book of Revelation have lot of figuratives and symbols. Not all are literals.

Revelation chapter 20 covers the history from Early Church to the Second Advent. Rev. 20:1-6 is happening right now. Rev. 20:7-15 is not yet occur right now. When Satan shall be loose out of the bottomless pit, and he shall be revealed to the world, then it will start Great Tribulation for only 3 1/2 years, NOT 7 years. Then, Christ shall come to earth to destroy Satan's armies. Then, all people will be raise from the grave, to judge all people. Rev. 20:10-15 will be fulfilled at the Second Advent.

'A thousand year' represents length time.

Rev. 20:1-3 telling us, Satan is bound in the bottomless pit, it is the picture of satan is now being restraining from being to be revealed. It support in 2 Thess 2:6-7, & Rev. 17:8 too.

Rev. 20:4-6 telling us, that we are now reigning with Christ.

"First resurrection" means, that we already have the part of 'first resurrection' is everlasting life since we accepted Christ saved. We born again received the Holy Spirit in us. NOw, we have the hope of eternal life of salvation through Jesus Christ.

Eph. 2:1 tells us, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;"

Christ already quickened us through salvation of eternal life by born again.

Eph. 2:5 tells us, "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved"

It tells us, we were lost at the first place, means we were spiritual death. When we born again, Christ came in us, and he quickened us. Means, he made us live. We already have the part of "first resurrection".

'Second death' cannot overcome us, because we already have eternal life through Jesus Christ. We already hope in Jesus Christ through salvation.

Eph. 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenely places in Christ Jesus:" It tells us, Christ already quickened us through salvation of eternal life, now we are reigning with Christ. Means we are now witnessing the gospel to the world, teaching to Christians, to work with the church, ministry, etc.

I would like to show you another verses on 'a thousand'.

Deut. 1:10-11 "The Lord your God hath multiplied you, and behold, ye are this day as the stars of heaven for multitude. The Lord God of your fathers make you a thousand times so many more as ye are, and bless you, as he hath promised you!"

God's blessing to the geneations is not limited, God give multiply of blessings to people no limited.

Deut. 7:9 "Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth coveant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand gernerations."

If suppose a thousand generations is literal, That means 40 years x 1000 generations = 40,000 years.

Moses told to people in the wilderness that was only about 3,100 years ago. It is only 3,100 years past already since Moses told them. That verse give us, that God's coveant is for ALL generations from the beginning to the end of the world(Second Advent).

Psa. 89:4 "Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to ALL generations. Selah."

It does not saying 'a thousand year'. God's covenant is eternality without end and no limited.

Daniel 7:9-10 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the feiry flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thosaunds ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."

Dan. 7:10-11 is talking about Great White Throne same as in Rev. 20:11-15. The number of people of Dan. 7:10-11 is not limited, it present no man can numbering the number of the crowd. Right now, there is about over 6 billion of people in the world. There are several billions of people already died since creation to today.

There will be great number of people stand before Christ sits on the throne. There will be many of billions of people face Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

It does not mean limited numbers of the teachers. Paul tried to telling them, that all are nothing compare with Christ. Christ is the only one best teacher ever we have.

Now, discuss on 2 Peter chapter 3.

Some premillers use 2 Peter 3:8 to prove it is literal 1000 years.

Apostle Peter made the point about the last days scoffers were talking about where is the promise of Lord's coming - 2 Peter 3:3-4.

Through many centuries, many people were expect the Lord might come in their lifetime anytime soon. But the Lord does not come in their lifetime. Many already through many centuries.

People make fun on God, they do not believe God will come again- never.

Same idea as flood. People were laughed at Noah built Ark for 120 years. Noah warned them, the flood will destroy the world. People do not believe Noah. Because, they never see rain in their lifetime. I believe people watched Noah builted Ark for many years. They do not believe rain will occur- never.

But one day, suddenly, rain come upon them, and it destroyed them all - 2 Peter 3:5-6.

2 Peter 3:8 telling us, 1000 years in people's sight, peole saying, 1000 years is TOOOOO long time. But, in the Lord's sight, 1000 years is like as one day in the Lord's sight is very short time.

Peter warns, Lord shall come like as thief in the night to all unbelievers who are not aware of sudden arrived of Christ at the Second Advent. They will be grabbing by the angels for the judgement day - Luke 17:34-37.

Peter could have saying 2000 years like as 2 days, if he wants to. It is not neccescary, because Peter gives us the idea how quick, the Lord shall come looks like.

Peter telling us new heaven and new earth will be created follow the Second Advent, not 1000 years later - 2 Peter 3:12-13.

I will post more on millennium on Tuesday. I do not want to type this post too long. I better stop for now. I will continue discuss more on it on this Tuesday night.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

Posttrib/Amill
Psalms 50:10- "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills,"

If suppose, it is literal exactly number of the hills, then earth have only 1,000 hills, but ehre are so countless of hills over the world.

Look next verse - Psa. 50:11 says, "I know ALL fowls of the mountians: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

Psa. 50:10-11 is talking about God owns EVERYTHING of the earth, so, not just a thousand hills, that he owns it as limited number. 'A thousand hills' represents multitude of hills over the world, that he owns ALL hills, because he created them.

Psa. 90:4 - "For a thousand years in thy sight are BUT as yesterday when it is past, as as a watch in the night."

It means, our sight of a thousand years seem so long time. But our life is very short time. Please look Psa. 94:5-6 describle the illustration of our life is not last forver and ever, our life shall be vanish away shortly. Same with James 4:14.

Psa. 105:8 tells us, "He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations."

If suppose, 'a thousand generations' is literal, that means a generation is about 40 years. Then, 40 x 1000 = 40,000 years.

Matthew chapter 1 shows the descendent of Christ from Adam to David, to Christ. There are 14 generations from ADam to David. Then, 14 generations from David to Jesus. Total is 28 generations for only about 4000 years.

That is 973 generations remain left. Pretty so long time!!!

Psa. 105:8 tells us, that God already make covenant for forever with many generations, not nout just for Old Testament saints only, also include all New Testament saints. It shows us, God promises with ALL generations from creation to the Second Advent.

 

I'm back! Finally, I have time to post on millennium.

I was premill for a long time. While I was pretribber, I was premill same time.

When I learned the truths from the Bible, I decided to leave pretrib camp 10 1/2 years ago. But, I was still premill.

I was pre-wrath rapturist for 8 years. Then, finally I became posttrib completed 2 years ago.

While the same time, I became posttrib, I having troubles with the Bible on premillennialism. I realized, there is none mentioned on 'a thousand year' anywhere in the 65 books(not include Revelation)of the Bible.

Matthew chapter 13 troubled me mostly, that chapter do not fit with pretrib, pre-wrath, and premill doctrines.

Matthew 25:31-46 troubled me much. Matt. 25:31-46 is very obivously posttrib than pre-wrath and pretrib doctrine.

I looked in John 6:39,40,44, & 54 troubled me the worse on premill. These are not fit with pretrib and premill doctrine.

It simple saying "LAST day", it does not saying 1260 days or 2520 days, or 42 months, or 84 months, or 1000 years or 1007 years. It simple saying, " LAST day". It means, final day for the mankind era of the earth, that day Christ comes to earth at the Second Advent.

Revelation chapter 20 shows lot of figuratives and symbols. Not just for Revelation 20 only, also, the book of Revelation have lot of figuratives and symbols. Not all are literals.

Revelation chapter 20 covers the history from Early Church to the Second Advent. Rev. 20:1-6 is happening right now. Rev. 20:7-15 is not yet occur right now. When Satan shall be loose out of the bottomless pit, and he shall be revealed to the world, then it will start Great Tribulation for only 3 1/2 years, NOT 7 years. Then, Christ shall come to earth to destroy Satan's armies. Then, all people will be raise from the grave, to judge all people. Rev. 20:10-15 will be fulfilled at the Second Advent.

'A thousand year' represents length time.

Rev. 20:1-3 telling us, Satan is bound in the bottomless pit, it is the picture of satan is now being restraining from being to be revealed. It support in 2 Thess 2:6-7, & Rev. 17:8 too.

Rev. 20:4-6 telling us, that we are now reigning with Christ.

"First resurrection" means, that we already have the part of 'first resurrection' is everlasting life since we accepted Christ saved. We born again received the Holy Spirit in us. NOw, we have the hope of eternal life of salvation through Jesus Christ.

Eph. 2:1 tells us, "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;"

Christ already quickened us through salvation of eternal life by born again.

Eph. 2:5 tells us, "Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved"

It tells us, we were lost at the first place, means we were spiritual death. When we born again, Christ came in us, and he quickened us. Means, he made us live. We already have the part of "first resurrection".

'Second death' cannot overcome us, because we already have eternal life through Jesus Christ. We already hope in Jesus Christ through salvation.

Eph. 2:6 "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenely places in Christ Jesus:" It tells us, Christ already quickened us through salvation of eternal life, now we are reigning with Christ. Means we are now witnessing the gospel to the world, teaching to Christians, to work with the church, ministry, etc.

I would like to show you another verses on 'a thousand'.

Deut. 1:10-11 "The Lord your God hath multiplied you, and behold, ye are this day as the stars of heaven for multitude. The Lord God of your fathers make you a thousand times so many more as ye are, and bless you, as he hath promised you!"

God's blessing to the geneations is not limited, God give multiply of blessings to people no limited.

Deut. 7:9 "Know therefore that the Lord thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth coveant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand gernerations."

If suppose a thousand generations is literal, That means 40 years x 1000 generations = 40,000 years.

Moses told to people in the wilderness that was only about 3,100 years ago. It is only 3,100 years past already since Moses told them. That verse give us, that God's coveant is for ALL generations from the beginning to the end of the world(Second Advent).

Psa. 89:4 "Thy seed will I establish for ever, and build up thy throne to ALL generations. Selah."

It does not saying 'a thousand year'. God's covenant is eternality without end and no limited.

Daniel 7:9-10 "I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the feiry flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thosaunds ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened."

Dan. 7:10-11 is talking about Great White Throne same as in Rev. 20:11-15. The number of people of Dan. 7:10-11 is not limited, it present no man can numbering the number of the crowd. Right now, there is about over 6 billion of people in the world. There are several billions of people already died since creation to today.

There will be great number of people stand before Christ sits on the throne. There will be many of billions of people face Christ.

1 Corinthians 4:15 "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

It does not mean limited numbers of the teachers. Paul tried to telling them, that all are nothing compare with Christ. Christ is the only one best teacher ever we have.

Now, discuss on 2 Peter chapter 3.

Some premillers use 2 Peter 3:8 to prove it is literal 1000 years.

Apostle Peter made the point about the last days scoffers were talking about where is the promise of Lord's coming - 2 Peter 3:3-4.

Through many centuries, many people were expect the Lord might come in their lifetime anytime soon. But the Lord does not come in their lifetime. Many already through many centuries.

People make fun on God, they do not believe God will come again- never.

Same idea as flood. People were laughed at Noah built Ark for 120 years. Noah warned them, the flood will destroy the world. People do not believe Noah. Because, they never see rain in their lifetime. I believe people watched Noah builted Ark for many years. They do not believe rain will occur- never.

But one day, suddenly, rain come upon them, and it destroyed them all - 2 Peter 3:5-6.

2 Peter 3:8 telling us, 1000 years in people's sight, peole saying, 1000 years is TOOOOO long time. But, in the Lord's sight, 1000 years is like as one day in the Lord's sight is very short time.

Peter warns, Lord shall come like as thief in the night to all unbelievers who are not aware of sudden arrived of Christ at the Second Advent. They will be grabbing by the angels for the judgement day - Luke 17:34-37.

Peter could have saying 2000 years like as 2 days, if he wants to. It is not neccescary, because Peter gives us the idea how quick, the Lord shall come looks like.

Peter telling us new heaven and new earth will be created follow the Second Advent, not 1000 years later - 2 Peter 3:12-13.

I will post more on millennium on Tuesday. I do not want to type this post too long. I better stop for now. I will continue discuss more on it on this Tuesday night.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

Posttrib/Amill
Psalms 50:10- "For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills,"

If suppose, it is literal exactly number of the hills, then earth have only 1,000 hills, but ehre are so countless of hills over the world.

Look next verse - Psa. 50:11 says, "I know ALL fowls of the mountians: and the wild beasts of the field are mine."

Psa. 50:10-11 is talking about God owns EVERYTHING of the earth, so, not just a thousand hills, that he owns it as limited number. 'A thousand hills' represents multitude of hills over the world, that he owns ALL hills, because he created them.

Psa. 90:4 - "For a thousand years in thy sight are BUT as yesterday when it is past, as as a watch in the night."

It means, our sight of a thousand years seem so long time. But our life is very short time. Please look Psa. 94:5-6 describle the illustration of our life is not last forver and ever, our life shall be vanish away shortly. Same with James 4:14.

Psa. 105:8 tells us, "He hath remembered his covenant for ever, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations."

If suppose, 'a thousand generations' is literal, that means a generation is about 40 years. Then, 40 x 1000 = 40,000 years.

Matthew chapter 1 shows the descendent of Christ from Adam to David, to Christ. There are 14 generations from ADam to David. Then, 14 generations from David to Jesus. Total is 28 generations for only about 4000 years.

That is 973 generations remain left. Pretty so long time!!!

Psa. 105:8 tells us, that God already make covenant for forever with many generations, not nout just for Old Testament saints only, also include all New Testament saints. It shows us, God promises with ALL generations from creation to the Second Advent.

 

OOOPS!!! Excuse me, I twisted it, because I added in the middle of the post. I should have typed bottom AFTER I add something in the middle of post.

Forgive me!

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 - Amen!

Posttrib/Amill

 

Gavin,

I will post to discuss on millennium more later tonight.

 

Hi Gavin,

I hope you don't think I'm ganging up on you, but I have a serious question about your views.
You raise concerns about a figurative use of 1000 years in Rev. 20, saying that you then can't be sure of any prophetic timetables.
But actually I think your view of Daniel's 70 weeks being split up by an indefinite gap of thousands of years makes for an even less certain view of prophetic timtables.
There is absolutely nothing in the context of Daniel 9 to suggest that the period of time under discussion should by split up that way. A normal reading would suggest that a continuous 490 years is being spoken of rather than about 2500 years and counting. If we can insert such a textually unwarrented time gap here, we can do it anywhere.

 

Gavin,

I just finished a lengthy reply to your post only to have it dissappear into cyberspace.

But briefly, check out the writings of Philip Mauro in regard to Daniel 9.

I've studied this passge in depth and was raised a dispensationalist, but ultimately couldn't support a gap in the passage.

Maybe I can write again later.

God bless,

Tim