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Unanswered Q's from KJBOism

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by DesiderioDomini, May 9, 2006.

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  1. DeclareHim

    DeclareHim New Member

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    The NIV followed the LXX and 1 Hebrew mss.
     
  2. robycop3

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    Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
    Again Bro,

    Why would the Holy Spirit convict my heart to believe the KJV is the most accurate Word, and another's heart that something else is more accurate, and another something else...?


    WITH ALL DUE RESPECT...

    In the same way He dispenses His various Spiritual gifts as He will. He gives some the gift to preach, another, to teach, another to be a musician, etc.

    In the verses I posted above, some removed the Father and the Son all together. God inspirie? I don't believe so.

    Why not? What about context? Can you actually PROVE they are ommissions?

    You may say that the words were added in the other translations instead of taken away in the ones, but I don't think God would say it was added at all.

    MY view carries equal weight.

    It is saying the Holy Spirit is a respector of persons. Pointing one to a truth, and another to a lie.

    But you haven't proven one is a lie. All you've offered is OPINION. However, it's FACT, not just opinion that KJVO has NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT, and that the very texts used to translate the KJV differ among themselves. Again, with all due respect, Sir, it's a case of guesswork and opinion verses FACTS.

    BTW, Sir, you make a very polite and well-intentioned defense of KJVO. Problem is, the FACTS show it's wrong, especially the pesky fact of NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT.
     
  3. standingfirminChrist

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    I cannot show scriptural support for my belief, you are correct. But it is not because it is not there. It is because many do not want to see it.

    Satan subtly questioned God's Word from the beginning and is still questioning it today and deceiving many.

    Having eyes to see and ears to hear, they see and hear not.
     
  4. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother StandingfirminChrist -- Preach it! [​IMG]

    On of Satan's most popular tools is
    'one and only one book'ism - limiting God to
    one and only one book.

    Caveat: It is easy to prove one and
    only one Lord and Savior, one and only one
    begotten Son of God -- imposible to prove
    'one and only one book'ism
     
  5. Rippon

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    SFiC , you can't show scriptural support for your contention , but it is there anyway , people just don't want to see it ? What kind of double-talk are you engaging in ?

    Because many recognize that the KJB is not as accurate as other English translations -- does that mean in your eyes ,that those whose preference differs from yours are questioning God and His Word ? Is that what you mean?
     
  6. DesiderioDomini

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    This I do know, I have asked Standingfirm a very simple question and he has ignored it.

    I now prclaim it is because he KNOWS the KJV is in error, and "doesnt want to see it".

    There is no other conclusion to come to. You are ignoring simple truths. THIS IS WHY THESE DEBATES ALWAYS BREAK DOWN!!! Because you refuse to answer very simple questions.....

    Do you expect anyone to take your position seriously when you avoid anything difficult?
     
  7. Linda64

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    DD--could it be the manner in which you are asking questions? You have a very arrogant attitude--no matter what anybody responds to you---and they DO respond to you--they are incorrect in YOUR own estimation of their responses. It could be that people are getting tired of the manner in which you ask questions and assume responses. You put words into other peoples' mouths.

    My husband has answered your question, but you REFUSE to accept it--You need to show some respect to those who may have more knowledge than you do--and to those who have lived longer on this earth than you have.

    Frankly, I'm tired of the redundancy of your questions. Those questions have been answered one thousand times over.

    BTW--why is it that you are allowed to attack the KJV and we are reprimanded for saying anything negative about the MVs--which further proves our point.
     
  8. Rippon

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    I am not DD , but I will address one point . What you may consider an " attack " are really examinations of claims by KV Only people . Regarding MV's , some KJV'ers really do attack them , saying that they are not the Word of God , that they remove the blood , the Diety of Christ , etc. You know , nonsense like that .
     
  9. DesiderioDomini

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    Please explain how the FACT that the reading in Revelation 17:8 in the KJV is not found in any witness on the planet is an attack upon the KJV.

    Also, Linda, please show me where your husband answered this question.

    He did not, and you last post was simply a lie.

    That is NOT my fault.
     
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    Romans 1:22-23 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
     
  11. Rippon

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    What an exegete you are SFiC !
     
  12. rsr

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    Can't you find a better verse than that?

    No one here, so far as I know, has changed to the glory of God to an image of a squirrel, a scissor-tail flycather or a western diamondback rattler.

    The question considered in the verse is idolatry, which more properly is applied to people to hold up the KJV as more than it is, a fine translation.
     
  13. Linda64

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    The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. (Revelation 17:8)

    Now tell me, what does this verse have to do with the price of rice in China? IOW, what is your point here? Do you believe in the book of Revelation? :confused:
     
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    Standingfirm,

    Are you not going to respond to the error found in Revelation 17:8?

    Are you going to claim, as your wife did, that you have, even though you have never mentioned it even once?
     
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    Whether you believe Revelation 17:8 or not, it is true and there is no error in it.
     
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    LOL. You think I am questioning the validity of the whole verse? This just shows that you arent even reading the posts! You are just responding in ignorance! I made it very clear what my problem is in this verse. However, I will explain further for you.

    The words "KAIPER ESTIN" (english "and yet is") are not found in ANY greek manuscript, any manuscript of any other language, nor any church father, nor any other type of witness, before they appeared as a TYPO in Erasmus' text in 1516.

    Therefore, this reading is NOT correct, because it does not exist ANYWHERE, in ANY FORM, until Erasmus CREATED it.

    Now, do you understand my position, and can you offer any intelligible response as to WHY the KJV is correct here, when it follow ZERO evidence of ANY KIND? Please explain how the KJV is the inspired Word of God in this phrase.
     
  17. EdSutton

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    What if the Holy Spirit isn't convicting anyone about a specific version? </font>[/QUOTE]Good question!! I normally don't get into these threads, but would like to hear an answer to this question by StefanM.

    Ed
     
  18. rsr

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    I think he has confused that reading with Revelation 22:19, which renders "tree of life" as "book of life."

    Is there any Greek manuscript support for "book of life?"

    [ May 10, 2006, 02:26 AM: Message edited by: rsr ]
     
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    Seems I was wrong.
     
  20. DesiderioDomini

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    RSR,

    No, this is not the reading I am refering to, because there is Latin support for that reading.

    There is ZERO support of ANY KIND for the reading I am contesting. I encourage you to do the research. I am pulling off of the research of others, but I did my own and was unable to find any manuscript which claimed to have this reading.

    No worries, however, I suspect this fact will command a blind eye from the KJVO here who claim they have answered it.
     
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