The value of the BV forum

Can I also chime in here a little?

Whenever I do peek in here a bit, the majority of new threads I see which discuss the KJV are started by those who are NOT KJVO. It very often is just another reason to tell us we are wrong and our faith is weak. Are we not allowed to have a common human response and try to defend ourselves?

Ive seen a couple good discussions in here, but my biggest reason for thinking that this forum should stay open is what happened to the General Baptist Theology Forum when the CvsA Forum was closed down!

I say keep it all in here so if we don't want to be confronted with this constantly and in every thread everywhere else, than we don't have to.

 

But even if this forum is predestined to shutdown, we could use our freewill to not discuss KJVO on the General forum. Or could we...

 

I used to post in the BV forum quite regularly, and actually enjoyed the "trench-work" of slugging it out with certain KJVOers who used to be around here.

But, I grew weary of banging my head against a wall, and the huge lengthy posts of circular reasoning. That, and being accused of being a "MVOist" and unsaved.

As was staed above, the BV has a place in that it keeps most of the rabid KJVOism out of the other forums.

Still, it pains my heart to read some of the stuff posted by certain individuals that have latched themselves onto the BV forum. Such pride and arogance...

No one has the right or authority to declare that only one translation or version is the sole repository of God's word, yet some do it each and every day here in the BV forum... and then contiue to slander and ridicule any other version or translation outside of their own, calling them "corrupt" and "non-inspired." And let's not even go into the issue of "re-inspiration", be it regarding translators/interpreters or a certain compiler of manuscripts...

Why do I still drop in? I dunno... I guess its like slowing down when you see a car wreck...

In Christ,
Trotter

 

You know folks, it is entirely possible to discuss the Bible version, textual, etc. issues, be graciously Christian about it, and still convince your opponent. In fact, I believe Christian graciousness makes it even easier to convince your opponent. As the saying goes, you can't catch flies with vinegar.

Col. 4:6--Let your speech be alway with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man.

 

Amen brother John.

 

You know folks, it is entirely possible to discuss the Bible version, textual, etc. issues, be graciously Christian about it, and still convince your opponent.

And what if your opponent is seemingly immune to both plain reason and graciousness?

 

Well, with an amen from AntennaFarmer, I'll pontificate a little more. Some of you are mistaking vehemence for power in your words. Neither anger, epithets, adjectives nor personal passion give you power in words.

(1) Power in words comes from knowledge and wisdom. Prov. 24:5--"A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength."

(2) Power in words comes from the truth. Many Scriptures could be quoted here.

(3) Power in words comes from the Holy Spirit. He can help you persuade your opponent on this thread if you are really right. If you are wrong, don't expect His help in defeating your opponent in an Internet debate. He is not interested in that.

Let me ask you guys who argue on this BV thread all the time. Have you ever prayed that the Lord would help you convince someone? Have you ever prayed that the Lord would show you if you are wrong?

My opinion probably doesn't matter to most of you, but the truth is, I have grave doubts about some of you--you don't want to convince anyone, you just like to argue and put down people--fellow believers. If the shoe fits, wear it. If it doesn't, don't throw it back at me--I have plenty more size 12's where that one came from.

 

Well then, DUH, you're not going to convince him. Why waste your God given time? Do something worthwhile with it!

 

Well then, DUH, you're not going to convince him. Why waste your God given time? Do something worthwhile with it!

Because on a high-traffic site like this one, there are still fence-sitters and lurkers.

 

You are probably right that only a few who come here with a strong opinion will change it. But some have. More importantly, people developing their opinion can come in and compare the two sides. They can compare temperment, tone, but, more importantly, proof.

Compared historically and to other forums on the net, this one is very well controlled and tame.

 

Your post made me think you were talking about after you've exhausted your arguments. I didn't mean don't even make your points, I meant make them with Christian graciousness.

It's late here in Japan. God bless and good night!

 

I deleted a couple of posts that had nothing to do with the value of the BV forum and responses to those posts.

[ May 19, 2006, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]

 

The forum will not be closed because the Moderators have too much fun deleting what could help, or maybe it wont but dont shoot the messenger!

 

Perhaps if you tried actually addressing the topic at hand rather than making incoherent statements, then we could get somewhere.

Actions such as yours is exactly what this thread is about.

 

Well, DUH! 99.9% of the Japanese people remain unsaved, and you're not going to convince them. Why waste your God given time? Do something worthwhile with it! Come home and get a job!

(When the tables are turned the argument doesn't seem quite so good, does it?)

</font>[/QUOTE]Now, TCassidy, be nice. I was actually thinking of you when I talked about the power of knowledge and wisdom.

So let me get this straight, you are equating the job of winning folks to Christ with the job of convincing a KJVO? That does not compute with me. I will spend far more effort trying to win a soul to Christ and keep him from eternal Hell than I will trying to convince someone that his KJVO doctrine is wrong, although I have done some of that here.

 

Well, DUH! 99.9% of the Japanese people remain unsaved, and you're not going to convince them. Why waste your God given time? Do something worthwhile with it! Come home and get a job!

(When the tables are turned the argument doesn't seem quite so good, does it?)

</font>[/QUOTE]Now, TCassidy, be nice. I was actually thinking of you when I talked about the power of knowledge and wisdom.

So let me get this straight, you are equating the job of winning folks to Christ with the job of convincing a KJVO? That does not compute with me. I will spend far more effort trying to win a soul to Christ and keep him from eternal Hell than I will trying to convince someone that his KJVO doctrine is wrong, although I have done some of that here.