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Pentecostal Baptists.

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Ben W, Dec 21, 2002.

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  1. Ben W

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    In Australia there is a Baptist Union Church near me, which is the same as the Southern Baptist Church in the U.S. This particular fellowship is openly Pentecostal, with full use of spiritual gifts and the like. There are various Baptists in Australia who are accepting of speaking in tounges and etc in theology, i.e even though they may not have the gift themselves, they can see that God has given it to others.

    Are there Pentecostal Baptist Churches in the U.S, England and Canada also? by denomination, or by individual fellowship?
     
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  2. rsr

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    Ben, how do you equate the Baptist Union of Australia with the Southern Baptist Convention?

    There are Pentecostal or charismatic churches among Baptists (as there are among other faith communities, including the Catholics), but not to any large organized extent that I am aware of.

    (An exception would be the Pentecostal Free Will Baptist Church with about 15,000 members: http://www.pfwb.org

    This was a very large issue within the SBC in the 1970s, but from what I can tell it has not been been a major point of contention recently.

    [ December 22, 2002, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: rsr ]
     
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  3. Bob Krajcik

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    Bob Krajcik
    Good article. I myself may not be in agreement on all issues but excellent article.

    Sherrie
     
    #4 Sherrie, Dec 22, 2002
  5. Sherrie

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    rsr...repost you URL its not coming up correct.

    Thanks

    Sherrie
     
    #5 Sherrie, Dec 22, 2002
  6. rsr

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    Whah? Tried it again. I promise I was there. Really.

    [ December 22, 2002, 12:01 PM: Message edited by: rsr ]
     
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  7. Justified

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    Personally, I find that the mixture of the two, becomes an oximoron! :D

    Merry CHRISTmas to all! [​IMG]
     
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  8. JN1633

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    I often refer to myself as Bapticostal...Baptist Doctrine with the joy of the pentecosts....don't tell anyone but I've been known to shout...woke up 3 of the deacons.....
     
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  9. Pete

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    Right up there I think with "Government organization", "honest politician", and other oxymorons.

    When I was a young bloke (not too far back, I'm only 33 now) a Baptist Church in Australia was a Baptist Church. Sadly today with many they could be anything.

    To quote from "What Do Baptists Believe" from the Baptist Union of Australia web page (http://baptist.org.au/buabelief.html): We believe every individual believer is free to access God and serve Him in his or her own way (within biblical lines). For this reason Baptist churches are often very different from each other. Some are very traditional, others very radical, and others are somewhere between.

    The "within Biblical lines" mentioned above seems to be becoming rarer and rarer. These people interpret the Bible by their experiences, and not their experiences by the Bible.

    They claim to "speak in tongues", yet never have an interpreter, which makes their practice un-Biblical according to 1 Corinthians 14:27-28. I have never met (or even heard of) an interpreter. Come to think of it if I could afford it I would put a bounty on interpreters just to see if anyone did come forward to collect ;)

    There being no Biblical basis for the "slain in the spirit" practice does not stop them with that one either.

    These teachings spread though the Church like cancer, with similar results.

    *sigh* so many people with itching ears...Why can't they just scratch them and save us all some big head-aches [​IMG]

    Pete
     
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  10. Trapper

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    I can tell you that in Brazil there are several Pentacostal Baptist denominations. In most cities there is a Baptist church thats Pentacostal.
    Ol Trapper
     
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  11. Aaron

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    In ten years you won't be able to tell the difference between the SBC and the Pentecostals. The SBC attempts to compensate for the lack of the power of the Spirit by bringing in all kinds of exhibitionistic and sensual worship styles.

    These things are the driving force behind Pentecostalism.
     
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    In ten years you won't be able to tell the difference between the SBC and the Pentecostals. The SBC attempts to compensate for the lack of the power of the Spirit by bringing in all kinds of exhibitionistic and sensual worship styles.

    These things are the driving force behind Pentecostalism.    </font>[/QUOTE]Hello Aaron,

    That is a very broad and sweeping statement about the SBC in general. You may be correct about individual churches that are affiliated with the SBC. However, I don't think you are correct about the majority of solid conservative SBC churches here in the USA. I can promise you that your prediction will fail with respect to my SBC church.
     
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    In ten years you won't be able to tell the difference between the SBC and the Pentecostals. The SBC attempts to compensate for the lack of the power of the Spirit by bringing in all kinds of exhibitionistic and sensual worship styles.

    These things are the driving force behind Pentecostalism.    </font>[/QUOTE]I hope you are right.
     
    #13 atestring, Dec 25, 2002
  14. rsr

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    Aaron, I don't know where you're coming from. The charismatics in the SBC were dealt with 30 years ago. On the other hand, if you're suggesting that the "mainline" Pentecostals are becoming less charismatic, I might agree. I recently went to an Assembly of God that had an espresso bar ...

    The "authentic" Pentecostals are another matter entirely and are making great strides in Latin America, Africa and Asia.
     
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    Just curious:
    How were the Charismatics dealt with in the SBC 30 years ago?
     
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  16. rsr

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    There were numerous instances of disfellowship on the associational level, if I recall correctly.
     
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    Do you know where this happened?
     
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  18. Lifter

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    I seem to recall Beverly Hills Baptist Church in Dallas, TX being disfellowshipped from the local assosiation. The pastor there was Dr. Howard Conatser. I read about it in "Bite Your Tounge" which was written by a member there. I think that Lulu Roman of Hee-Hew fame was saved at that church. This was back when a lot of Baptists were looking for "something more" in church. Almost all the people that I know who left the Baptist church for a charismatic churchs in our area are back at the Baptist church.

    Did a quick Google search. BBBC is now called Church of the King. According to their websight they have about 450 members. Far less that when they were Baptist.
     
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  19. rsr

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    I apologize for not posting more quickly.

    First, this was a big point of controversy in the 1970s; I remember reading about it in the state church newsletter on several occasions.

    It has not disappeared, although it is officially discouraged.

    http://www.baptiststandard.com/1999/7_21/pages/charismatic.html

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2000/005/15.24.html

    The terminology can be frustrating. I grew up with "Pentecostals" and have heard the full "baptism of the Spirit," including speaking in tongues. Charismatics may or may not exhibit the "gifts." It's an amorphous term, becoming more flexible all the time, and harder to pin down.
     
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  20. Aaron

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    I was channel surfing one night a while ago while Al Mohler was the Prez.

    I caught him on TBN praising their methods. It won't belong. With the praise bands, hands risen, heads tilted back in a trancelike fashion...the tongues thing will just happen.
     
    #20 Aaron, Dec 27, 2002
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