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KJV vs. NIV

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Soulman, May 21, 2006.

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  1. ccrobinson

    ccrobinson Active Member

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    All right. Could you list just one of the doctrines that the NIV omits?
     
  2. Ransom

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    william s. correa says:

    Well they surely didnt mean the NIV when they Spoke like that about the AV!

    It's their own fault for not inventing the time machine and going to the future first, I guess. :rolleyes:
     
  3. Ransom

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    william s. correa said:

    And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ. All delete the former Christ and retain the latter. Again with a footnote that leaves the reader in doubt.

    In doubt of what? That Jesus was the Son of God? That he was the Christ? The NIV says so right there, William.

    You'd have to have an attention span of - what, 5 seconds? - to miss it. Or do you think it's only true if it repeats it?

    Come on, William, get a real argument instead of this mindless palaver.
     
  4. TC

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    Fine, two or three examples will do.

    As far as I know, the RSV does this, but the NIV does not. Nevertheless, your fallible interpretation has nothing to do with the correctness of any Bible translation.

    So, have you ever read the NIV for yourself, or do you slam it soley based on what someone else has said about it?
     
  5. william s. correa

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    Yes!

    A.V. Bible Preface
     
  6. william s. correa

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    Here Ya Go!

    Westcott & Hort, delete and substitute key words from the Majority Text in doctrinally critical places. In the modern 'versions' refer to these as the "oldest and most reliable" manuscripts? With footnotes?This assault is a group of modern versions of the Word of God [NIV, Good News for Modern Man, etc,] which all make the same deletions and substitutions. Look at this! Mark 10:21King James Bible :Fish: "Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.NIV, delete take up the cross?Why?
     
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  7. Ransom

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    correa said:

    .NIV, delete take up the cross?Why?

    William, will you please post Matt. 10:38, Matt. 16:24, Mark 8:34, and Luke 9:23 from the NIV? Thanks.
     
  8. william s. correa

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    No!

    I dont have an NIV or read out of it! Just passing thru!
     
  9. Ransom

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    I dont have an NIV or read out of it! Just passing thru!

    So you think it's OK to just post ridiculous accusations against God's Word without checking their truth out for yourself?

    My, how "Berean" you aren't.

    Mocking the Bible seems to be a favourite pasttime of its favourite "defenders." I'm actually dealing with another hardcore KJVer on another forum who claims that in the NIV, the light that shone from heaven on Paul on the Damascus road might have been Satan disguised as an angel of light.
     
  10. Ed Edwards

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    TC: //What doctrines are omitted by the NIV? I have asked before
    and have only gotten the runaround for a reply.
    Could you be so kind as to list all of them?//

    The attack on the NIV centers on MISSING WORDS.
    Somehow it makes me think that some cannot tell the
    difference between THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD and the WRITTEN
    WORDS OF GOD. (which really is confusing, because
    both phrases are used in the Bible, both meaning what
    is usully abscribed to 'THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD'.)
    That is, THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD is God's Message to Man
    and not the details (words) themselves.

    Consider this conversation:

    whomever: //Now Sal, be HONEST. What we've said is that,
    while EVERY Christian believes God has preserved
    His word, there's NO SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT WHATSOEVER
    for the KJVO myth. And the Bible, including the KJ version
    does NOT offer one shred of evidence that the KJV
    is the ONLY valid English Bible version.//

    Salamander: //OK, I'll be REAL honest. God is not the author of confusion.//

    'confusion' is one word that is misunderstood in it's
    1 Corinthians 14 usage. Here is the usage:

    1 Corinthisans 14:33 (HCSB = Christian Standard Bible /HOlman, 2003/ ):
    since God is not a GOd of
    disorder but of peace.
    As in all the churches of the saints.

    1 Corinthians 14:33 (KJV1769 Edition):

    For GOd is not the author of confusion
    but of peace
    as in all the churches of the saints

    The minor doctrine built on the misunderstanding of 1 Cor 14:33
    word in the KJV: 'confusion':
    It is a sin to speak in tongues in church because
    it confuses the minds of people.
    ^^^
    The likely meaning that God has is:
    disorder, the opposite of peace, is not
    sponsered by God.

    The problem is putting 21st century (2001-2100) meanings
    to 18th century (1701-1800) words.

    There are more mistaken doctrines out in this
    world due to misunderstanding words appearing
    in the KJV1769 edition that are misunderstood
    in the 21st century.

    TC: //What doctrines are omitted by the NIV? I have asked before
    and have only gotten the runaround for a reply.
    Could you be so kind as to list all of them?//

    Also: some ardent KJVs believe it a sin not to use other than the
    KJV1769 (wich they like to call the AV 1611) edition KJB.
    So they don't bother to have an NIV nor check an NIV.
    Instead gungho KJV-only-ites parrot unreliable sources without accreditation,
    generally from 'free' pamplets.
    So don't hold your breath, i don't know of a one
    Bible Bashers (non-KJV1769 Bibles, that is) who
    has published a list of actual doctrines changed by
    people who use Modern Versions (MVs) like the NIV.

    By contrast, stick around this Forum Brother TC, you will
    find documented all the bad doctrines believed by people's
    misunderstanding of the words in the KJVs.
     
  11. Eliyahu

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    Mark 10:21

    Good Points again :thumbs:
    Absolute Majority plus A have Aras Ton Stauron (αρασ τον σταυρον)΄taking the Cross.

    This may be the reason why there are many churchmen/churchwomen among NIV readers who are not truly born again ?
     
  12. TC

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    As shown on the following page, the NIV does have taking up the cross and following Jesus. I know of a number of unbelievers that read the KJV. Does that mean the KJV is missing doctrines? BTW, I know it isn't, but that is how silly your argument against the NIV sounds.
     
  13. rsr

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    Wow. Do you have some information that compares how many are "not truly born again" among readers of various versions? I'd like to see that.
     
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    This statement reeks of one who thinks they stand in judgment of others. You know the heart of those who use the NIV? You know that they have not received Jesus as their Saviour? You believe that one can only be saved by reading the KJV? Incredible!!!!

    Bro Tony
     
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    It truly is a shame when a person can trash another valid, totally usable version of the Word of God. They'll have a lot to answer for, won't they, Brother? :tear:
     
  16. Salamander

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    On the basis of lost church members, I'd have to say that his statement holds water.

    BTW< you just judged his motive, that is an error in judgement.
     
  17. Salamander

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    Yeah, just like W/H did?:praying:

    [Attack on the Bible snipped].:praise: :Fish: :praise:
     
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    OK, Ed, since when is confusion NOT disorder??????????

    I still won't settle for LESS.
     
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    OK, Ed, since when is confusion NOT disorder?
     
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    Please, O mighty one...prove to us that the NIV IS NOT...beyond a shadow of a doubt...the Word of God....

    I sincerely doubt it, but, you're entitled to your opinion, regardless of how incorrect it is. :thumbs:
     
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