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Archaic Words In The KJV

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Rippon, May 24, 2006.

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  1. Rippon

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    OOPS , I forgot ...

    ... to include 3 verses .

    62:3 How long will ye imagine mischief against a man ?

    How long will you assault me ?

    62:10 become not vain in robbery

    or put vain hope in stolen goods

    64:4 They may shoot in secret at the perfect

    They shoot from ambush at the innocent
     
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    Psalm 92-146

    92:6 A brutish man

    Senseless people

    92:10 unicorn

    wild ox

    97:7 Confounded be all

    are put to shame

    99:8 their inventions

    their misdeeds

    101:4 A froward heart shall depart from me

    The perverse of heart shall be far from me

    107:12 he brought down their heart with labour

    he subjected them to bitter labor

    107:39 they are minished

    their numbers decreased

    119:148 Mine eyes prevent the night watches

    My eyes stay open through the watches of the night

    124:5 proud waters

    the raging waters

    135:7 the vapours

    the clouds

    138:6 the proud he knoweth afar off

    he takes notice of the proud from afar

    144:7 from the hand of strange children

    from the hands of foreigners

    146:3 in the son of man

    in human beings
     
  3. Keith M

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    Re: Archaic language

    Rippon, thanks for the tremendous job you have done in showing that the KJV is absolutely full of archaic language. You have documented your point over and over and over again. It is quite apparent the language of the KJV is in serious need of updating, and some of the so-called Modern Versions do that quite well,
     
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    May I join Keith in taking my hat off to you, Rippon?
     
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    I think the solution to anyone not understanding the KJV, and wanting to use it, is to obtain a KJV that has the archaic words defined in the centre-column or on the side columns. Nelson Bibles do this(even though Nelson Bibles are pure junk), some Holman editions do that, and some World Bibles(now owned by Thomas Nelson---:tear: ) as well as the KJ Scofield 3. a few more editions here and there do this a s well.

    Or.............use the NKJV.:smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Thanks for the encouraging words Keith and robycop .

    As for the NKJ --- it is a big step forward in terms of clarification -- but it still uses antiquated language and awkward wordings much of the time .

    The major revisions of the KJV by Paris and even moreso by Blayney did not reflect the language of the 18th century . James Hervey ( 1713-1758 ) was said to use an English style of the preceding century . But when I read his works I do not sense the distance . Blayney's 1769 revision reflected a much older manner . William Romaine's ( 1714-1795 )writings also were thought to be in a much older form -- but his English is much more understandable to me than the 1769 KJV . John Gill ( 1697-1771 ) used terribly long sentences a great deal , but reading him is much less difficult than reading the KJV .

    The ESV uses King James-speak . It deliberately goes retro . It is now the 21st century and people do not speak the way that the ESV communicates . But I find the ESV marginally better than the NASU .
     
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    Proverbs 1-10

    1:32 the prosperity of fools shall destroy them

    the complacency of fools will destroy them

    2:17 the guide of her youth

    the partner of her youth

    3:35 shame shall be the promotion of fools

    fools get only shame

    5:6 her ways are moveable

    her paths wander aimlessly

    5:14 I was almost in all evil

    I was soon in serious trouble

    6:26 the precious life

    your very life

    7:18 let us solace ourslves with loves

    let's enjoy ourselves with love !

    7:19 the goodman

    My husband

    7:21 she forced him

    she seduced him

    9:7 getteth himself a blot

    the name of the wicked will rot

    10:1 the heaviness of his mother

    bring grief to their mother

    10:4 that dealeth with a slack hand

    Lazy hands

    10:10 a prating fool shall fall

    a chattering fool comes to ruin
     
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    Proverbs 11- 14

    11:6 transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness

    the unfaithful are trapped by evil desires

    11:25 The liberal soul shall be made fat

    A generous person will prosper

    12:11 but he that followeth vain persons is void of understanding

    but those who chase fantasies have no sense

    12:16 a prudent man covereth shame

    the prudent overlook an insult

    12:20 but to the counsellers of peace is joy

    but those who promote peace have joy

    12:24 but the slothful shall be under tribute

    but laziness ends in forced labor

    13:7 there is that maketh himself poor

    another pretends to be poor

    13:8 the poor heareth not rebuke

    the poor cannot respond to threatening rebukes

    13:23 but there is that is destroyed for want of judgment

    but injustice sweeps it away

    13:24 chasteneth him betimes

    are careful to discipline them

    14:10 a stranger doth not intermeddle with his joy

    no one else can share its joy

    14:14 a good man shall be satisfied from himself

    the good rewarded for theirs

    14:15 the prudent man looketh well to his going

    the prudent give thought to their steps

    14:23 the talk of the lips tendeth only to penury

    mere talk leads only toward poverty

    14:30 a sound heart

    A heart at peace
     
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    Proverbs 15-19

    15:4 perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit

    a perverse tongue crushes the spirit

    15:24 The way of life is above to the wise

    The path of life leads upward for the prudent

    15:27 he that hateth gifts shall live

    those who hate bribes will live

    15:30 a good report maketh the bones fat

    good news gives health to the bones

    16:10 his mouth transgresseth not in judgment

    his mouth does not betray justice

    16:26 He that laboureth for himself ; for his mouth craveth it of him .

    The appetite of laborers works for them ; their hunger drives them on .

    16:30 He shutteth his eyes

    Those who wink with their eyes

    17:1 an house full of sacrifices

    a house full of feasting

    17:9 He that covereth a transgression seeketh love

    Whoever would foster love covers over an offense

    17:26 nor to strike princes for equity

    surely to flog officials is not right

    18:1 Through desire a man , having separated himself , seeketh and intermeddleth with all wisdom .

    An unfriendly person pursues selfish ends and agains all sound judgment starts quarrels .

    18:2 his heart may discover itself

    delight in airing their own opinions

    18:5 accept the person of the wicked

    good to be partial to the wicked

    18:17 He that is first in his own cause seemeth just ; but his neighbor cometh and searcheth him .

    In a lawsuit the first to speak seems right , until someone comes forward and cross-examines .

    18:18 parteth between the mighty

    keeps strong opponents apart

    19:13 the contentions of a wife are a continual dropping

    a quarrelsome wife is like the constant dripping of a leaky roof .

    19:26 He that wasteth his father

    Whoever robs their father
     
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    Proverbs 20-22

    20:14 It is naught , it is naught .

    It's no good , it's no good !

    20:17 Bread of deceit is sweet to a man .

    Food gained by fraud tastes sweet

    20:25 It is a snare to the man who devoureth that which is holy , and after vows to make inquiry .

    It is a trap to dedicate something rashly and only later to consider one's vows .

    20:27 The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord , searching all the inward parts of the belly .

    The human spirit is the lamp of the Lord that sheds light on one's inmost being .

    21:5 The thoughts of the diligent tend only to plenteousness ; but of every one that is hasty only to want .

    The plans of the diligent lead to profit as surely as haste leads to poverty .

    21:7 they refuse to do judgment .

    they refuse to do what is right .

    21:14 and a reward in the bosom strong wrath .

    and a bribe concealed in the cloak pacifies great wrath .

    21:24 who dealeth in proud wrath .

    they behave with insolent fury .

    21:28 the man that heareth speaketh constantly .

    a careful listener will testify successfully .

    21:29 A wicked man hardeneth his face

    The wicked put up a bold front

    22:9 He that hath a bountiful eye

    The generous

    22:18 and they shall withal be fitted in thy lips

    and have all of them ready on your lips

    22:29 he shall not stand before mean men .

    they will not serve before officials of low rank .
     
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    Proverbs 23-27

    23:16 my reins shall rejoice

    my inmost being will rejoice

    23:20 riotous eaters of flesh

    gorge themselves on meat

    24:11 If thou forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death

    Rescue those being led away to death

    24:16 the wicked shall fall into mischief

    the wicked stumble when calamity strikes

    24:21 meddle not with them that are given to change

    do not join with rebellious officials

    24:34 and thy want as an armed man

    and scarcity like an armed man

    25:8 Go forth hastily to strive

    do not bring hastily to court

    25:10 thine infamy turn not away

    may shame you

    25:18 a maul

    club

    26:2 so the curse causeless shall not come

    an undeserved curse does not come to rest

    26:5 lest he be wise in his own conceit

    or they will be wise in their own eyes

    26:6 drinketh damage

    drinking poison

    26:19 Am not I in sport ?

    I was only joking !

    27:22 Though thou shouldest bray a fool

    you will not remove their folly from them .
     
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    Proverbs 28-31

    28:5 understand not judgment

    do not understand what is right

    28:11 the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out

    one who is poor and discerning sees

    28:17 let no man stay him

    let no one hold them back

    28:20 shall not be innocent

    will not go unpunished

    28:25 shall be made fat

    will prosper

    29:10 but the just seek his soul

    seek to kill

    29:18 Where there is no vision

    Where there is no revelation

    29:21 He that delicately bringeth up his servant

    A servant pampered from youth

    29:24 bewrayeth it not

    dare not testify

    30:11 There is a generation

    There are those

    30:26 are but a feeble folk

    of little power

    30:29 comely in going

    stately in their stride

    30:33 the forcing of wrath

    stirring up anger

    31:11 he shall have no need of spoil

    lacks nothing of value

    31:17 She girdeth her loins with strength

    She sets about her work vigorously

    31:26 in her tongue is the law of kindness

    faithful instruction is on her tongue
     
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    Ecclesiastes

    1:8 All things are full of labour

    All things are wearisome

    1:13 God hath given to the sons of man to be excercised therewith

    God has laid on the human race !

    4:5 eateth his own flesh

    ruin themselves

    4:8 there is not a second

    (nothing )

    5:1 Keep thy foot

    Guard your steps

    5:3 For a dream cometh through the multitude of business

    A dream comes when there are many cares

    5:6 thy flesh to sin

    lead you into sin

    5:20 answereth him in the joy of his heart

    God keeps them occupied with gladness of heart

    6:2 an evil disease

    a grievous evil

    7:3 the heart is made better

    is good for the heart

    7:7 destroyeth the heart

    corrupts the heart

    7:14 to the end that man should find nothing after him

    you cannot discover anything about your future

    7:18 shall come forth of them all

    will avoid all extremes

    7:27 counting one by one , to find out the account

    Adding one thing to another to discover the scheme of things

    8:1 the boldness of his face shall be changed

    changes its hard appearance

    8:6 to every purpose there is time and judgment

    there is a proper time and procedure for every matter

    10:10 wisdom is profitable to direct

    skill will bring success

    10:11 a babbler is no better

    the charmer receives no fee

    12:5 man goeth to his long home

    people go to their eternal home
     
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    Rippon, I don't think we need to see any more examples. You have made your point over and over and over and over again...
     
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    Thank you Brother Rippon.
    Please continue this topic. I see you are just now to
    the book of Ecclesiastes . There is much more to
    document. Again, Thank you, Brother Rippon,
    for the effort.
     
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    Is The Horse Dead Yet ?

    Aw Keith , I'm just warming up ! Thanks for the go-ahead Ed .
     
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    Well, at least the ignore list works...

    Have at it, Rippon!
     
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    And here I go plowing through

    Song Of Songs

    1:7 for why should I be as one that turneth aside by the flocks of thy companions ?

    Why should I be like a veiled woman beside the flocks of your friends ?

    2:2 my love among the daughters

    my darling among the young women

    2:5 for I am sick of love

    for I am faint with love

    2:12 [ classic ! ] the voice of the turtle is heard

    the cooing of doves is heard

    3:8 of fear in the night

    the terrors of the night

    3:11 in the day of his espousals

    on the day of his wedding

    4:7 there is no spot in thee

    there is no flaw in you

    4:9 Thou hast ravished my heart

    You have stolen my heart

    4:12 A garden enclosed is my sister

    You are a garden locked up , my sister

    5:2 my undefiled

    my flawless one

    5:3 I have washed my feet : how shall I defile them ?

    I have washed my feet -- must I soil them again ?

    5:4 my bowels were moved for him

    my heart began to pound for him

    5:6 my soul failed when he spoke

    My heart sank at his departure

    5:9 what is thy beloved more than another beloved , that thou so charge us ?

    How is your beloved better than others , that you so charge us ?

    6:4 terrible as an army

    as majestic as troops

    6:9 is but one

    is unique

    6:10 Who is she that looketh forth as the morning

    Who is this that appears like the dawn

    6:12 Or ever I was aware , my soul made me like the chariots of Amminadib .

    Before I realized it , my desire set me among the royal chariots of my people .

    7:9 causing the lips of those that are asleep to speak

    flowing gently over lips and teeth

    8:5 I raised thee up under the apple tree

    Under the apple tree I roused you

    8:7 it would be utterly contemned

    it would be utterly scorned

    8:13 cause me to hear it

    let me hear your voice !
     
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    Rippon,

    Thank you for taking the time to do this. I hope you save this on your computer and can make PDFs for everyone when your done. This can be used of God to show the misleading teachings of the KJVO folks.

    Thanks again for taking the time, I have used this once already.



    In Christ...James
     
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    Thanks James . I realize that some phrases are not as vague as others . But at times entire verses are quite obscure in the KJV . As I am going along I do appreciate the KJV . But for the last 200 years it has been largely too cumbersome to use if one wants to effectively study the Word of God . I have a number of verses memorized since childhood . But William Tyndale deserves most of the credit , not the KJV revisers . W.T. did the majority of what we have in the New Testament in the KJV . The Geneva , Bishops , and other versions all added their share to the mix as well as the KJV revisers themelves . We don't drive model-T's anymore . Without changing the intent of the original meaning we need to put the Bible into the current language of the audience .

    The NIV has been the most popular English version for decades now . Other versions are contributing to the effort of making the Bible even more accurate and understandable . May God continue to bless the struggles of everyone doing translation work in any language .
     
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