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Did God Die In 1611?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Craigbythesea, Jun 24, 2004.

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  1. NaasPreacher (C4K)

    NaasPreacher (C4K) Well-Known Member

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    Homebound,

    Would pop over to my "Simple Question" thread and enlighten me please?
     
    #41 NaasPreacher (C4K), Jun 25, 2004
  2. HankD

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    Can you except that according to the KJVO doctrine that which is different is not the same?
    That being true you seem to indicate in past posts that the 1769 King James Bible (which edition, Oxford or Cambridge?) is THE Word of God .

    That being true then is the 1611 AV First Edition the Word of God or not?

    If yes and being different than the 1769 AV, why can’t you except the fact that the NKJV or NASB is also the Word of God they also being different. Being different only requires one word difference BTW.

    If the AV 1611 is not the Word of God (being different than the 1769 AV) then will you also condemn it along with the NKJV/NASB/NIV?

    BTW, I personally believe the KJV Any Version, any edition is the Word of God and in the spirit of the KJV translators I say that the NKJV/NASB/NIV are also the Word of God.

    HankD
     
    #42 HankD, Jun 25, 2004
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    Homebound:Evidence, evidence, evidence.

    Yes, we would like to see some for the veracity of the KJVO doctrine.


    Do you have evidence that the modern versions is God's word?

    At least as much as there is for the KJV being God's word. Different English BVs were made both before & after the KJV.

    Or how about, do you have evidence of all of the accounts in the Bible? You believe them by faith, the same way that I believe the KJB.

    And I believe other versions just the same. (Not ALL, of course.) And not by BLIND faith. There is much physical evidence for many occurrances narrated in Scripture. For example, the remains of Gomorrah have been found, from an ancient Egyptian "traveling salesman"'s map. And there are stories worldwide, from people who didn't know of each other's existence in ancient times, about the sun and moon's standing still in the sky for awhile.

    OTOH, KJVO is based upon blind faith, with NOTHING to verify it.

    You cannot read the KJB?

    "I" can-but can EVERYONE?

    This does not mean that they are the best MSS or even scripture.

    This debate has been raging among scholars for five generations. Can YOU solve it?


    God's word was preserved in the English language, in the KJB. Why do you need another? Again, can you not read the KJB?

    And it was preserved in the Tyndale Bible of the 1530s. Can you not read the Tyndale Bible? Why did God allow subsequent English versions to be made? And yes, I can read both the Tyndale Bible and the AV 1611 as well as the subsequent editions collectively called the KJV.

    Were those Bibles not written in the best English of their day?

    KJVO, what is it, a person who believes that God can inspire and preserve his word in one book so there would be no confusion on what the word of God is.

    A belief not based upon REALITY, lacking any truth whatsoever.


    Today, you say there are many Bibles from God. I ask why? Can God not put his word in one book?

    God can do ANYTHING except what He says He won't do. And nowhere does He limit Himself as to how He may present/provide His word to man.

    Would that not be the easiest way to keep ones attention?

    Depends upon who "one's" is.

    But why? One says this and the other says that, causing you to ask, which one is correct.

    So it's OK for the KJVO to arbitrarily choose what he/she personally perfers, without the slightest bit of evidence to prove he/she made the BEST choice.


    Confusing, confusing, confusing, and God is not the author of confusion.

    Then which book do you choose between Kings & Chronicles, when one says Jehoiachin began reigning at age eight while the other says he began reigning at age eighteen? Which Gospel do you choose when one says both thieves crucified with Jesus reviled Him while another says one of them asked for forgiveness? Which Gospel do you choose when each one gives a different number od women appreaing at Jesus' tomb early Sunday AM?

    Nope, this aint comparing apples and oranges. The differences WITHIN a set of mss has much-greater weight than do the differences between sets.

    All we say is, the King James Bible is God's word for the English speaking people of today.

    Actually, it's God's word for the English speaking people of the 1600s, same as was the Tyndale's for the early 1500s & the Geneva Bible for the late 1500s. All of them are different from one another, and either all of them are valid or none of them are, seeing as how they were all made from basically the same mss.


    Can you not accept that? It's God's word, believe it.

    I believ it, but I also believe God still oversees His word and makes it appear in today's languages. After all, God also controls all languages!

    You're right back on Square One, trying to promote a doctrine about Scripture that has no Scriptural support & is therefore false. Spin, but no EVIDENCE, but that's the KJVO way, trying to make something outta NOTHING. Better leave that to GOD.
     
    #43 robycop3, Jun 25, 2004
  4. Craigbythesea

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    The King James translation of the Bible is easy to read as long as you don't include understanding as a part of reading :D . You yourself have shown all of us that you were unable to read and understand Matt. 23:24 in the King James Version, but an eight year old could easily read it and understand it in even the most literal contemporary translation.

    If Matt. 23:24 was the only problem in reading and understanding the KJV, it probably wouldn’t be very important, but the KJV is full of words that most English readers do not understand the meaning of as they are used in the KJV.

    "abroad" (Deut. 24:11; Jer. 6:11) then meant "outside"
    "advanced" (1 Sam. 12:6) then meant "appointed"
    "advertise" (Num. 24:14; Ruth 4:4) then meant "advise"
    "against he come" (Exod. 7:15) then meant "to meet him"
    "almost" (Psalm 94:17) then meant "soon"
    "ancient(s)" (Psalm 119:100; Isa. 3:2, 5, 14; 9:15; 24:23; etc. then meant "elder(s)"
    "apothecary" (Exod. 30:25, 35; 37:29; Eccl. 10:1) then meant "perfumer"
    "apparently" (Num. 12:8) then meant "clearly"
    "armholes" (Ezek. 13:18) then meant "elbows"
    "artillery" (1 Sam. 20:40) then meant "small armor"
    "assay(ed)" (Deut. 4:34; 1 Sam. 17:39) then meant "attempt(ed)"
    "at" (Exod. 19:15; Num. 6:6; Ezek. 44:25) then meant "near to"
    "audience" (Gen. 23:10, 13, 16; 1 Sam. 25:24; Neh. 13:1) then meant "hearing"
    "bands" (Psalm 73:4) then meant "pangs"
    "bound" (Hosea 5:10) then meant "landmark"
    "bowels" (Gen. 43:30; 1 Kings 3:26; Psalm 109:18; Song 5:4; etc.) then meant "heart"
    "by that" (Exod. 22:26) then meant "before"
    "carriage(s)" (Judg. 18:21; 1 Sam. 17:22; Isa. 10:28) then meant "that which is carried"
    "certified" (Esther 2:22) then meant "told"
    "certify" (2 Sam. 15:28) then meant "advise"
    "check" (Job 20:3) then meant "chastisement"
    "cherish" (1 Kings 1:2) then meant "keep warm"
    "clean" (Josh. 3:17; 4:1, 11; Psalm 77:8; Isa. 24:19) then meant "completely"
    "coast" (Exod. 10:4; Deut. 2:4; 16:4; etc.) then meant "district" or "border" (Num. 20:23; 22:36; 34:11; Deut. 2:18; etc.)
    "compass" (Prov. 8:27) then meant "circle" or "encompass" (Jer. 31:22)
    "confection" (Exod. 30:35) then meant "spice"
    "consult(ed)" (1 Kings 12:6, 8; 1 Chron. 13:1; 2 Chron. 20:21; Neh. 5:7; etc.) then meant "counsel(ed)"
    "consumption" (Isa. 28:22) then meant "destruction"
    "contrary" (Ezek. 16:34) then meant "different"
    "convenient" (Prov. 30:8) then meant "needful"
    "conversation" (Psalm 37:14; 50:23) then meant "conduct"
    "convert" (Isa. 6:10) then meant "turn"
    "corn" (Gen. 27:37; 41:35, 49, 57; 42:1, 2, 3, 5, 19, 25, 26; etc.) then meant "grain"
    "curious" (Exod. 28:8, 27, 28; 29:5; 35:32; etc.) then meant "carefully made"
    "darling" (Psalm 22:20; 35:17) then meant "dear life"
    "deal" (Exod. 29:40; Lev. 14:10, 21; 23:13, 17; 24:5; Num. 15:4, 6, 9; etc.) then meant "part" or "portion"
    "dearth" (Jer. 14:1) then meant "drought"
    "debate" (Isa. 58:4) then meant "strife"
    "decline" (Deut. 17:11) then meant "turn aside"
    "denounce" (Deut. 30:18) then meant "declare"
    "discover(ed)" (1 Sam. 14:8, 11) then meant "disclose(d)"
    "dote" (Jer. 50:36) then meant "be fools"
    "ear(ed)(ing)" (Gen. 45:6; Exod. 34:21; Deut. 21:4; 1 Sam. 8:12; Isa. 30:24) then meant "plow(ed)(ing)"
    "either" (Lev. 10:1; 2 Chron. 18:9) then meant "each"
    "ever, or" (Dan. 6:24) then meant "before"
    "evident" (Job 6:28) then meant "clear"
    "fast" (Ruth 2:8, 21, 23) then meant "close"
    "fetched a compass" (Josh. 15:3; 2 Kings 3:9) then meant "made a circuit"
    "flags" (Exod. 2:3, 5) then meant "reeds"
    "flood" (Josh. 24:2, 3, 14, 15) then meant "river"
    "flowers" (Lev. 15:24, 33) then meant "menstrual impurity"
    "folk" (Jer. 51:58) then meant "nation"
    "freely" (Num. 11:5) then meant "for naught"
    "froward" (Prov. 4:24) then meant "deceitful", "crooked" (Psalm. 18:26; Prov. 2:15; 3:32; 8:8; 17:20), or "perverse" (Deut. 32:20; 2 Sam. 22:27; Psalm 101:4; Prov. 2:12; 8:13; 10:31; etc.)
    "furniture" (Gen. 31:34) then meant "trappings"
    "galleries" (Song 7:5) then meant "tresses"
    "gender" (Lev. 19:19) then meant "breed"
    "ghost" (Gen. 25:8, 17; 35:29; 49:33; Job 3:11; then meant "spirit"
    "grave" (Exod. 28:9, 36; 2 Chron. 2:7) then meant "engrave"
    "graved" (1 Kings 7:36) then meant "carved"
    "graven" (Exod. 39:6) then meant "engraven"
    "gutter" (2 Sam. 5:8) then meant "watercourse"
    "halted" (Gen. 32:31) then meant "limped"
    "harness" 1 Kings 20:11; 22:34; 2 Chron. 9:24; 18:33) then meant "armor"
    "imagine" (Hosea 7:15) then meant "devise"
    "inventions" (Psalm 99:8; 106:29, 39) then meant "doings"
    "inward" (Job 19:19) then meant "familiar"
    "isle(s)" (Isa. 20:6; 23:2; 24:15) then meant "coast-land(s)"
    "judgment" (Prov. 21:15; Amos 5:15, 24; Micah 3:9) then meant "justice"
    "length" (Prov. 29:21) then meant "last"
    "let" (Exod. 5:4) then meant "loose"
    "lightly" (Gen. 26:10) then meant "easily"
    "lightness" (Jer. 23:32) then meant "vain boasting"
    "liketh" (Deut. 23:16; Amos 4:5) then meant "pleaseth"
    "liking" (Dan. 1:10) then meant "looking"
    "liquor" (Num. 6:3) then meant "juice"
    "mad" (Eccl. 7:7) then meant "foolish"
    "make away" (Dan. 11:44) then meant "sweep away"
    "mean" (Prov. 22:29) then meant "common"
    "meat" (Exod. 29:41; 30:9; Lev. 2:1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15; etc.) then meant "meal" (the "meat offering" in Lev. 14:10 was a cereal grain offering)
    "nephew" (Job 18:19; Isa. 14:22) then meant "grandchild"
    "outlandish" (Neh. 13:26) then meant "foreign"
    "overlaid it" (1 Kings 3:19) then meant "lay upon it"
    "passengers" (Prov. 9:15) then meant "passers by"
    "peculiar" (Exod. 19:5; Deut. 14:2; 26:18; Psalm 135:4; Eccl. 2:8) then meant "that belonging to an individual"
    "pitiful" (Lam. 4:10) then meant "full of pity"
    "plain" (Gen. 25:27) then meant "quiet"
    "prevent" (Psalm 88:13; Amos 9:10) then meant "come before," or "receive" (Job 3:12), or "anticipate" (Psalm 119:147, 148), or "come upon" (2 Sam. 22:6, 19; Job 30:27; Psalm 18:5, 18), or "meet" (Isa. 21:14)
    "printed" (Job 19:23) then meant "inscribed"
    "prove(ed)" Dan. 1:12, 14) then meant "tested"
    "purely" (Isa. 1:25) then meant "thoroughly"
    "quick" (Lev. 13:10; Num. 16:30; Psalm 55:15; 124:3) then meant "alive"
    "quit" (Josh. 2:20) then meant "guiltless"
    "ranges" (2 Kings 11:8, 15; 2 Chron. 23:14) then meant "ranks"
    "ranging" (Prov. 28:15) then meant "roaming"
    "removed woman" (Ezek. 36:17) then meant "woman in her impurity"
    "removing" (Isa. 49:21) then meant "wandering"
    "reprobate" (Jer. 6:30) then meant "refuse"
    "residue" (Jer. 39:3; 41:10; Ezek. 9:8) then meant "rest"
    "rest, take my" (Isa. 18:4) then meant "be silent"
    "restrain" (Job 15:8) then meant "limit"
    "road" (1 Sam. 27:10) then meant "raid"
    "roaring" (Psalm 22:1) then meant "groaning"
    "rod" (Isa. 11:1) then meant "shoot"
    "room(s)" (1 Kings 5:1, 5; 8:20; 20:24; etc.) then meant "stead"
    "scrip" (1 Sam. 17:40) then meant "wallet"
    "sever" (Exod. 9:4) then meant "distinguish"
    "several" (2 Chron. 28:25; 31:19) then meant "single"
    "shoot" (Exod. 36:33) then meant "pass"
    "show" (Gen. 46:31) then meant "tell"
    "sides" (1 Sam. 24:3; Jonah 1:5) then meant "innermost parts"
    "sore" (1 Sam. 14:52; 2 Sam. 2:17) then meant "fierce"
    "sorrowful" (Job 6:7) then meant "loathsome"
    "spoiled" (Gen. 34:27, 29) then meant "plundered"
    "stay" (Isa. 30:12; 31:1; 50:10) then meant "rely" or "uphold" (Prov. 28:17)
    "strait" (2 Kings 6:1) then meant "narrow"
    "straiten" (Jer. 19:9) then meant "distress"
    "stuff" (1 Sam. 10:22; 25:13; 30:24) then meant "military baggage"
    "suburbs" (Ezek. 45:2) then meant "open space"
    "suffer" (Exod. 12:23; 22:18; Lev. 2:13; 19:17; 22:16; etc.) then meant "permit"
    "Syrian" (Isa. 36:11) then meant "Aramaic"
    "take thought for" (1 Sam. 9:5) then meant "be anxious"
    "tale" (Exod. 5:8, 18; 1 Sam. 18:27; 1 Chron. 9:28) then meant "number"
    "target" (1 Sam. 17:6) then meant "javelin"
    "tell" (Psalm 22:17) then meant "count"
    "tin" (Isa. 1:25) then meant "alloy"
    "tokens" (Psalm 135:9) then meant "signs"
    "told" (2 Kings 12:10, 11; 2 Chron. 2:2) then meant "counted"
    "translate" (2 Sam. 3:10) then meant "transfer"
    "usury" (Isa. 24:2) then meant "interest"
    "waster" (Prov. 18:9) then meant "destroyer"

    [continued in next post]
     
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    "abased" (Matt. 23:12; Luke 14:11; 18:14) then meant "humbled"
    "abide" (Acts 20:23) then meant "await"
    "acquaintance" (Luke 2:44; 23:49; Acts 24:23) then meant "acquaintances"
    "admiration" (Rev. 17:6) then meant "wonder"
    "affections" (Gal. 5:24) then meant "passions"
    "again" (Matt. 27:3; Luke 14:6) then meant "back"
    "allege" (Acts 17:3) then meant present "evidence"
    "allow" (Luke 11:48; Rom. 14:22; 1 Thes. 2:4) then meant "approve"
    "amazement" (1 Pet. 3:6) then meant "terror"
    "amend" (John 4:52) then meant "mend"
    "answer" (2 Tim. 4:16) then meant "defense"
    "approve" (2 Cor. 6:4; 7:11) then meant "commend" or "prove"
    "assay" (Acts 9:26; 16:7; Heb. 11:29) then meant "essay" or "attempt"
    "attendance" (1 Tim. 4:13) then meant "attention"
    "base" (1 Cor. 1:28; 2 Cor. 10:1) then meant "lowly"
    "behind" (Col. 1:24) then meant "lacking"
    "bewitched" (Acts 8:9, 11) then meant "astonished"
    "by and by" (Matt. 13:21; Mark 6:25; Luke 17:7; 21:9) then meant "immediately"
    "careful" (Luke 10:41; Phil. 4:6) then meant "anxious"
    "charged" (1 Tim. 5:16) then meant "burdened"
    "charger" (Matt. 14:8, 11; Mark 6:25, 28) then meant "platter"
    "charity" (1 Cor. 8:1; 13:1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 13; etc.) then meant "love"
    "charitably" (Rom. 14:15) then meant "in love"
    "communicate" (Gal. 6:6; Phil. 4:14, 15; 1 Tim. 6:18; Heb. 13:16) then meant "share"
    "communications" (Cor. 15:33) then meant "companionship"
    "concluded" (Rom. 11:32; Gal. 3:22) then meant "shut up"
    "conscience" (1 Cor. 8:7; Heb. 10:2) then meant "consciousness"
    "convenient" (Rom. 1:28; Eph. 5:4; Phlm. 8) then meant "fitting" or "proper"
    "conversation" (2 Cor. 1:12; Gal. 1:13; Eph. 2:3; etc.) then meant "manner of life" or "conduct"
    "corn" (Matt. 12:1; Mark 2:23; 4:28; etc.) then meant "grain"
    "countries" (Luke 21:21) then meant "country"
    "country, a" (John 11:54) then meant "the country"
    "damnation" (Matt. 23:14; Mark 12:40; Luke 20:47; etc.) then meant "condemnation" or "judgment" (1 Cor. 11:29)
    "damned" (Mark 16:16; Rom. 14:23; 2 Thes. 2:12) then meant "condemned" or "judged"
    "delicately" (Luke 7:25) then meant "luxuriously"
    "deliciously" (Rev. 18:7, 9) then meant "wantonly"
    "doubtful" (Luke 12:29) then meant "anxious"
    "draught" (Matt. 15:17; Mark 7:19) then meant "drain"
    "earnestly" (Luke 22:56; Acts 23:1) then meant "carefully" or "steadfastly" or "intently"
    "ensue" (1 Pet. 3:11) then meant "pursue"
    "entreat(ed)" (Matt. 22:6; Luke 18:32; 20:11; etc.) then meant "treat(ed)"
    "estate" (Acts 22:5) then meant "council"
    "estates" (Mark 6:21) then meant "men of nobility or rank"
    "ever, or" (Acts 23:15) then meant "before"
    "evidently" (Acts 10:3) then meant "clearly" or "openly" (Gal. 3:1)
    "fame" (Matt. 4:24; 9:26, 31; 14:1; Mark 1:28; etc.) then meant "report" or "repute"
    "feeble-minded" (1 Thes. 5:14) then meant "fainthearted"
    "forward" (2 Cor. 8:10, 17; Gal. 2:10) then meant "ready" or "eager"
    "frankly" (Luke 7:42) then meant "freely"
    "furnished" (Matt. 22:10) then meant "filled"
    "go beyond" (1 Thes. 4:6) then meant "transgress"
    "good" (1 Jn. 3:17) then meant "goods"
    "goodman" (Matt. 20:11; 24:43; Mark 14:14; etc.) then meant "master"
    "governor" (James 3:4) then meant "pilot"
    "grudge" (James 5:9; 1 Pet. 4:9) then meant "grumble"
    "guilty" (Matt. 23:18) then meant "bound"
    "hardly" (Matt. 19:23) then meant "with difficulty"
    "instant" (Luke 23:23) then meant "insistent," or "constant" (Rom. 12:12), or "urgent" (2 Tim. 4:2)
    "keep under" (1 Cor. 9:27) then meant "buffet"
    "lade" (Luke 11:46) then meant "load"
    "large" (Matt. 28:12) then meant "much"
    "lewd" (Acts 17:5) then meant "wicked"
    "lewdness" (Acts 18:14) then meant "villainy"
    "listed" (Matt. 17:12; Mark 9:13) then meant "wished"
    "listeth" (John 3:8; James 3:4) then meant "wishes"
    "lively" (Acts 7:38; 1 Pet. 1:3; 2:5) then meant "living"
    "loft" (Acts 20:9) then meant "story"
    "marred" (Mark 2:22) then meant "destroyed"
    "meat" (Matt. 3:4; 6:25; 10:10; 15:37; 24:45; etc.) then meant "food"
    "minister" (Luke 4:20) then meant "attendant"
    "minstrels" (Matt. 9:23) then meant "flute players"
    "motions" (Rom. 7:5) then meant "passions"
    "observed him" (Mark 6:20) then meant "kept him safe"
    "occupy" (Luke 19:13) then meant "trade"
    "other" (John 21:2; Acts 15:2; 2 Cor. 13:2; Phil. 2:3) then meant "others"
    "other some" (Acts 17:18) then meant "some others"
    "overcharge(d)" (Luke 21:34; 2 Cor. 2:5) then meant "over burden(ed)"
    "particularly" (Acts 21:19; Heb. 9:5) then meant "in detail"
    "pitiful" (1 Pet. 3:8) then meant "merciful"
    "presently" (Matt. 21:19; 26:53; Phil. 2:23) then meant "immediately"
    "pressed out of" (2 Cor. 1:8) then meant "oppressed beyond"
    "prevent" (1 Thes. 4:15) then meant "precede"
    "prevented" (Matt. 17:25) then meant "spoke first to"
    "profited" (Gal. 1:14) then meant "advanced"
    "profiting" (1 Tim. 4:15) then meant "progress"
    "proper" (Acts 1:19; 1 Cor. 7:7) then meant "own" or "beautiful" (Heb. 11:23)
    "quick" (Heb. 4:12) then meant "living"
    "quit you" (1 Cor. 16:13) then meant "conduct yourselves"
    "reason" (Acts 6:2) then meant "reasonable"
    "record" (John 1:19; Acts 20:26; 2 Cor. 1:23; Phil. 1:8) then meant "witness"
    "respect, had" (Heb. 11:26) then meant "looked"
    "room" (Matt. 2:22; Luke 14:7, 8, 9, 10; Acts 24:27; 1 Cor. 14:16) then meant "place"
    "sardine" (Rev. 4:3) then meant "sardius"
    "scrip" (Matt. 10:10; Mark 6:8; Luke 9:3; 10:4; etc.) then meant "bag"
    "secondarily" (1 Cor. 12:28) then meant "secondly"
    "sentence" (Acts 15:19) then meant "judgment"
    "several" (Matt. 25:15) then meant "particular"
    "shamefacedness" (1 Tim. 2:9) then meant "modesty" or "propriety"
    "shape" (John 5:37) then meant "form"
    "should" (Acts 23:27) then meant "would"
    "sincere" (1 Pet. 2:2) then meant "pure"
    "strange" (Acts 26:11) then meant "foreign"
    "strangers of" (Acts 2:10) then meant "visitors from"
    "string" (Mark 7:35) then meant "band"
    "study" (1 Thes. 4:11; 2 Tim. 2:15) then meant "strive"
    "tables" (Luke 1:63; 2 Cor. 3:3) then meant "tablets"
    "take no thought" (Matt. 6:25, 28, 31, 34; 10:19; Luke 12:11, 22, 26) then meant "be not anxious"
    "taking thought" (Matt. 6:27; Luke 12:25) then meant "being anxious"
    "temperance" (Acts 24:25; Gal. 5:23; 2 Pet. 1:6) then meant "self-control"
    "temperate" (1 Cor. 9:25; Tit. 1:8) then meant "self- controlled"
    "translated" (Col. 1:13; Heb. 11:5) then meant "transferred"

    "And Jacob sod pottage" (Gen. 25:29)
    "And Mt. Sinai was altogether on a smoke" (Exod. 19:18)
    "Dead things are formed from under the waters, and the inhabitants thereof." (Job 26:5)
    "The noise thereof showeth concerning it, the cattle also concerning the vapor." (Job 36:33)
    "Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing" (Psalm 5:6)
    "For who can eat, or who else can hasten hereunto, more than I?" (Eccles. 2:25)
    "The ships of Tarshish did sing of thee in thy market" (Ezek. 27:25)


    And how many of these words from the King James Version are you sure of:

    abjects (Psalm 35:15)
    agone (1 Sam. 30:13)
    ague (Lev. 26:16)
    algum (2 Chron. 2:8; 9:10, 11)
    almug (1 Kings 10:11, 12)
    blains (Exod. 9:9, 10)
    bolled (Exod. 9:31)
    botch (Deut. 28:27, 35)
    brigandine (Jer. 46:4; 51:3)
    bruit (Jer. 10:22; Nahum 3:19)
    buckler (2 Sam. 22:31; 1 Chron. 5:18; 12:8; Psalm 18:2, 30; etc.)
    cab (2 Kings 6:25)
    cauls (Isa. 3:18)
    chapiter (1 Kings 7:16)
    chapmen (2 Chron. 9:14)
    chapt (Jer. 14:4)
    cast clouts (Jer. 38:11, 12)
    chode (Gen. 31:36; Num. 20:3)
    cieled (2 Chron. 3:5; Jer. 22:14; Ezek. 41:16; Hag. 1:4)
    clouted (Josh. 9:5)
    college (2 Kings 22:14; 2 Chron. 34:22)
    cogitations (Dan. 7:28)
    collops (Job 15:27)
    cormorant (Lev. 11:17; Deut. 14:17; Isa. 34:11; Zeph. 2:14)
    cotes (2 Chron. 32:28)
    coulter (1 Sam. 13:20)
    countervail (Esther 7:4)
    cracknels (1 Kings 14:3)
    crisping pins (Isa. 3:22)
    cruse (1 Sam. 26:11, 12, 16; 1 Kings 14:3; 17:12, 14, 16; etc.)
    daysman (Job 9:33)
    discomfited, be (Isa. 31:8)
    emerods (Deut. 28:27; 1 Sam. 5:6, 9, 12; 6:4, 5, 11, 17)
    environ (Josh. 7:9)
    exactors (Isa. 60:17)
    fitches (Ezek. 4:9)
    flagons (Song 2:5)
    fray (Deut. 28:26; Jer. 7:33; Zech. 1:21)
    froward (Deut. 32:20; 2 Sam. 22:27; Job. 5:13; etc.)
    gat (Gen. 19:27; Exod. 24:18; Num. 11:30)
    habergeon (Exod. 28:32; 39:23; Job 41:26)
    hap (Ruth 2:3)
    helve (Deut. 19:5)
    horseleech (Prov. 30:15)
    hosen (Dan. 3:21)
    hough(ed) (Josh. 11:6, 9; 2 Sam. 8:4; 1 Chron. 18:4)
    kine (Gen. 32:15; 41:2, 3, 4, 18, 19, 20, 26, 27; Deut. 7:13; etc.)
    leasing (Psalm 4:2; 5:6)
    ligure (Exod. 28:19; 39:12)
    mete (Exod. 16:18; Psalm 60:6)
    meteyard (Lev. 19:35)
    minished (Psalm 107:39)
    munition(s) (Isa. 29:7; 33:16; Nahum 2:1)
    neesings (Job 41:18)
    nether (Deut. 24:6)
    occurrent (1 Kings 5:4)
    ouches (Exod. 28:11, 13, 14, 25; 39:6, 13, 16, 18)
    pilled (Gen. 30:37, 38)
    plat (2 Kings 9:26)
    poll(ed) (2 Sam. 14:26; Ezek. 44:20; Micah 1:16)
    pommels (2 Chron. 4:12, 13)
    purtenance (Exod. 12:9)
    ribband (Num. 15:38)
    ring-straked (Gen. 30:35, 39, 40; 31:8, 10, 12)
    savor (Song 1:3)
    scrip (1 Sam. 17:40)
    sever (Exod. 9:4)
    sod (Gen. 25:29; 2 Chron. 35:13)
    stacte (Exod. 30:34)
    taches (Exod. 26:6, 11, 33; 35:11; 36:13, 18; 39:33)
    trode (Judg. 9:27; 20:43; 2 Kings 7:17; 9:33; 14:9; 2 Chron. 25:18)
    wimples (Isa. 3:22)
    wist not (Exod. 16:15; 34:29; Lev. 5:17; etc.)
    wit (Gen. 24:21; Exod. 2:4)
    wot (Gen. 21:26; 44:15; Exod. 32:1, 23; Num. 22:6; Josh. 2:5)
    wotteth (Gen. 39:8)
     
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    I thought I did. The printing of the KJB had printing/spelling errors that was fixed. I believe what I know by faith that the 1769 KJB that I use is God's inspired, preserved word, just like the 1611, Geneva, Tyndale's, etc.
    God's message was not lost because of these petty errors that you cling to.
     
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    But if the 1611 had errors, no matter how "petty" there were, it was not perfect!
     
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    Exactly HomeBound (except for the last 4 words).

    HankD
     
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    God's message is perfect. I truthfully don't know how to explain why the spelling and printing errors occured. God uses man to relay his message. Just as you witness to someone today, your witness may not be perfect, but the word of God is. Maybe as I grow, I'll have a better answer for you.
     
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    Interesting list, as you have one, so do I. These are words in the "up-to-date" NIV.
    :rolleyes:

    NIV, verse, AV

    abasement Ezra 9:5 heaviness
    abashed Is 24:23 confounded
    abutted Ezek 40:18 over against
    acclamation 2 Chr 15:14 voice
    aghast Is 13:8 amazed
    alcove Ezek 40:13 little chamber
    annotations 2 Chr 13:22 story
    armless Num 31:50 chains
    bewilderment Acts 2:6 confounded
    blunted Ps 58:7 cut in pieces
    blustering Job 8:2 strong
    breakers Ps 93:4 waves
    brooches Ex 35:22 bracelets
    brood Is 57:4 children
    burnished Dan 10:6 polished
    carnelian Rev 4:3 sardine
    charioteers I Sam 13:5 horsemen
    citron Rev 18:12 thyine
    colonnade I Ki 7:6 porch
    commemorate Ex 13:3 remember
    coomg Song 2:12 voice
    cors I Ki 4:22 measures
    curds Gen 18:8 butter
    dappled Zec 6:6 gristled
    debauchery Gal 5:19 lasciviousness
    decimated 2 Sam 21:5 destroyed
    dejected Gen 40:6 sad
    deluded Is 44:20 deceived
    denarii Matt 18:28 pence
    denarius Matt 20:2 penny
    desecrate Lev 21:12 profane
    despoil Jer 30:16 give for a prey
    detachment John 18:3 band
    disheartened Ezek 13:22 sad
    disillusionment Ps 7:14 falsehood
    dissipation I Pet 4:4 riot
    drachmas Ezra 2:69 drams
    dragnet Hab 1:15 drag
    duplicity Lk 20:23 craftiness
    elation Pro 28:12 glory
    emasculate Gal 5:12 cut off
    embedded Ecc 12:11 fastened
    embitter Ps 73:21 grieved
    embodiment Rom 2:20 form
    emphatically Mk 14:31 vehemently
    encouragingly 2 Chr 30:22 comfortably
    encrouch Pro 23:10 enter
    engulf Ps 69:2 overflow
    enrollment 2 Chr 17:14 numbers
    enthralled Ps 45:11 greatly desire
    enveloped Lk 9:34 overshadowed
    exasperate Eph 6:4 provoke
    exterminate Ezek 25:7 perish
    exult Is 14:8 rejoice
    factions 1 Ki 16:21 parts
    famished Is 8:21 hungry
    fattened 1 Sam 28:24 fat
    faultfinders Jude 16 complainers
    fawns Song 4:5 roes
    fellowman Micah 2:2 man
    festival Ex 5:1 feast
    festive I Sam 25:8 good
    fieldstones Deut 27:6 whole stones
    figurehead Acts 28:11 sign
    fil~gree Ex 28:20 enclosings
    fishnets Ezek 26:5 nets
    flagstaff Is 30:17 beacon
    flank Ezek 34:21 side
    fleeting Ps 89:47 short
    flinging Acts 22:23 threw
    flogged Acts 5:40 beaten
    floodgates Gen 7:11 windows
    fluttering Is 16:2 wandering
    fomenting Is 59:13 speaking
    forded Josh 2:23 passed over
    forevermore Jude 25 for ever
    frolic Ps 104:26 play
    fruitage Is 27:9 fruit
    gadfly Jer 46:20 destruction
    gaiety Is 24:8 mirth
    galled 1 Sam 18:8 displeased
    gateway Gen 19:1 gate
    gaunt Gen 41:3 leanfleshed
    gauntness Job 16:8 leanness
    gecko Lev 11:30 ferret
    glancing Ex 2:12 looked
    glint Hab 3:11 light
    glistcning Job 41:32 shine
    gloat Ps 30:1 rejoice
    gloom Job 10:21 darkness
    glutted Ezek 39:19 full
    goblet Is 51:17 cup
    goum Gen 14:1 nations
    grapevine James 3:12 vine
    Hades Rev 20:14 hell
    harrowing Is 28:24 break the clods
    haunt Ps 44:19 place
    headwaters Gen 2:10 heads
    hoopoe Lev 11:19 lapwing
    horde Ezek 17:17 army
    ibex Deut 14:5 pygarg
    ignoble 2 Tim 2:20 dishonour
    impaled Ezra 6:11 hanged
    imperishable I Cor 15:50 incorruption
    impetuous Hab 1:6 hasty
    improvise Amos 6:5 invent
    incited 1 Chr 21:1 provoked
    incurs Pro 9:7 getteth
    indestructible Heb 7:16 endless
    indignant Mk 10:41 displeased
    indispensable 1 Cor 12:22 necessary
    infamy Is 44:11 ashamed
    innumerable 2 Chr 12:3 without number
    insolence Jer 48:30 wrath
    insolent Rom 1:30 despiteful
    jeered 2 Ki 2:23 mocked
    joists 2 Chr 34:11 couplings
    jowls Deut 18:3 cheeks
    kingship 1 Sam 10:16 kingdom
    lifeboat Acts 27:30 boat

    (continue next post)
     
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    magi Matt 2:1 wise men
    mainstay Jer 49:25 chief
    marauders Job 12:6 robbers
    marshaled Job 32:14 directed
    mattocks 1 Sam 13:20 courter
    maxiums Job 13:12 remembrances
    melodious Ps 81:2 p leasant
    memorandum Ezra 6:2 record
    mina Lk 19:16 p pound
    misdemeanor Acts 18:14 wrong
    naive Rom 16:18 simple
    nationality Est 2:10 people
    naught Is 40:23 nothing
    Negev Gen 12:9 south
    Nephilim Gen 6:4 giants
    nightfall 2 Sam 19:7 night
    noonday 2 Sam 4:5 noon
    Nubians Dan 11:43 Ethiopians
    nuggets Job 22:24 gold
    nurtured Lam 4:5 brought
    oarsmen Ezek 27:26 rowers
    oblivion Ps 88:12 forgetfulness
    obscenity Eph 5:4 filthiness
    offal Ex 29:14 dung
    officiate 2 Ki 17:32 sacrificed
    opportune Mk 6:1 convenient
    ore Job 28:2 stone
    overawed Ps 49:16 afraid
    overweening Is 16:6 very
    parapet Deut 22:8 battlement
    piled Lk 23:9 questioned
    pinions Deut 32:11 wings
    porphyry Est 1:6 red
    portent Is 20:3 wonder
    portico 1 Ki 6:3 porch
    poultice 2 Ki 20:7 lump
    Praetorium Matt 27:27 common hall
    prefects Dan 3:3 governors
    proconsul Acts 13:8 deputy
    profligate Deut 21:20 glutton
    promiscuity Ezek 16:26 whoredoms
    qualm Jude 12 fear
    rabble Num 11:4 mixed multitude
    ramparts Hab 2: 11 tower
    rawboned Gen 49:14 strong
    reeked Ex 8:14 stank
    repointing 1 Sam 13:21 sharpen
    reposes Pro 14:33 resteth
    reputed Gal 2:9 seemed
    resound I Chr 16:32 roar
    resplendent Ps 76:4 glorious
    reveled Neh 9:25 delighted themselves
    revelry Is 22:13 gladness
    revening Jer 2:30 destroying
    rifts Jer 2:6 pits
    sachet Song 1:13 bundle
    satraps Est 3:12 lieutenants
    sheathed Ps 68:13 covered
    siegeworks Ecc 9:14 bulwarks
    simplehearted Ps 116:6 simple
    sistrums 2 Sam 6:5 cornets
    squall Mk 4:37 storm of wind
    stadia Rev 14:20 furlongs
    stag Song 2:9 hart
    stipulations Deut 4:45 testimonies
    suckling 1 Sam 7:9 sucking
    sullen I Ki 21:5 sad
    temperate I Tim 3:11 sober
    tempest Ps 55:8 storm
    terebinth Hos 4:13 elms
    tethered 2 Ki 7:10 tied
    thong Lk 3:16 latchet
    thornbush Is 55:13 thorn
    thundercloud Ps 81:7 thunder
    timidity 2 Tim 1:7 fear
    tinder Is 1:31 tow
    torrent Rev 12:15 flood
    tranquillity Ecc 4:6 quietness
    transcends Phil 4:7 passeth
    transplanted Ezek 17:10 planted
    tresses Song 7:5 galleries
    tumult 1 Sam 14:19 noise
    turbulent Gen 49:4 unstable
    tyrannical Pro 28:16 oppressor
    tyranny Is 54:14 oppression
    underlings 2 Ki 19:6 servants
    vassal 2 Ki 24:1 servant
    vaunts Job 15:25 strengtheneth
    vent Job 20:23 cast
    verdant Song 1:16 green
    vestments Ezra 3:10 apparel
    vexed Ps 112:10 grieved
    wadi Num 34:5 river
    waylaid 1 Sam 15:2 laid wait for
    waywardness Hosea 14:4 backsliding
    weakling Joel weak
    wily Job 5:13 froward
    windstorm Is 29:6 storm
    wrenched Gen 32:25 out of joint
    wretches Matt 21:41 wicked men
    yearling Is 11:6 fatling


    The reason for new bibles is to update the language is a lie from the pits of hell. The reason for new bibles if to do away with the truth.
     
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    I suggest that you compare each word in your list with the Hebrew and Greek words that they are translations of and find out for yourself whether or not they are more accurate. Certainly none of the words are archaic, nor have any of them changed in meaning since the NIV was first published. However, the NIV is far from the most accurate translation of the Bible into English, and its choice of words is not always the best.

    By the way, if you really believe the words that I quoted above, may God have mercy on your soul!
     
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    Then why in the world would you use it or even believe it? This is what I cannot understand.
     
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    If that is how you do it, why not print a bible that has the correct words?
     
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    I'm picturing a "Geneva Version Onlyist" saying something to this effect upon publication of the KJV in 1611. ;)
     
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    Somehow I don't picture this. Men then had better character.
     
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    Then why in the world would you use it or even believe it? This is what I cannot understand. </font>[/QUOTE]I did not say that the NIV is worthless; I said that "the NIV is far from the most accurate translation of the Bible into English, and its choice of words is not always the best." And I don't use it very much, but to not use it at all would be foolish because it does present to the reader translation options that are important to consider.
     
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    ??? :confused:
     
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    Can I have one?
     
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    Somehow I don't picture this. Men then had better character. </font>[/QUOTE]Since my statement was intended to be purely satirical, I would agree. It's only the recent KJVO's who see fit to belittle & attack other valid translations of God's Word.

    (BTW, did you intentionally mean to say that men in 1611 had better character than modern KJVOnlyists in their regard for God's Word? If so, we've found a fact we can agree upon.)
     
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