War Is Not Peace: the "fruit" of war

Bob Colgan · Sep 7, 2004

Originally posted by blackbird:
Irwin?? How do you think He's gonna settle it???
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Blackbird,
May I answer since there was no answer from Irwin.
I believe you may be thinking the same thing I'm thinking Rev 19:11-16 He wont be coming back as the Lamb (amen) He will be coming back as the King of Kings Lord of Lords. War this world ant seen what war is yet.

Bob C

Word Traveler · Sep 7, 2004

Originally posted by Scott J:
An absence of war is not equivalent to the presence of peace.

Surrender is not peace.

Submission/toleration of a tyrant like Hitler or Stalin is not peace.

Acceptance of oppression and the constant threat of attack is not peace.

Referring back to your original post, war is not the opposite of peace.
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Amen! And Amen! In Christ, WT

Terry_Herrington · Sep 7, 2004

Originally posted by Scott J:
An absence of war is not equivalent to the presence of peace.

Surrender is not peace.

Submission/toleration of a tyrant like Hitler or Stalin is not peace.

Acceptance of oppression and the constant threat of attack is not peace.

Referring back to your original post, war is not the opposite of peace.
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AMEN!

LadyEagle · Sep 7, 2004

Rev. 19:[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
[18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[21] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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Then....

A New Heaven

and

A New Earth....

and PEACE!

blackbird · Sep 8, 2004

Then we'll sing that old spiritual---

Gonna lay down my sword and shield
down by the riverside
down by the riverside
down by the riverside

Gonna lay down my sword and shield
down by the riverside
down by the riverside

Ain'ta gonna study war no mo'
Ain'ta gonna study war no mo'
Ain'ta gonna study war no mo'

Michael111 · Sep 8, 2004

Originally posted by superdave:
Mat 10:34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. "

Truth causes division.

When Jesus comes to bring peace he will do so by using force to overcome his enemies.
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AVL1984 · Sep 9, 2004

Originally posted by Michael111:
Peace is peace.
War is not peace.

War is not... loving one another, loving one's enemies, turning the other cheek

I pray that the world prepares for peace... and not war.

Michael111
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The Bible pretty much rules that out until the 1,000 year reign of Christ. The Bible says there will be wars and rumours of wars...

AVL1984

blackbird · Sep 9, 2004

We are to pray for peace---that's true! But in a sense, when we are praying for peace, what we're really praying for is Jesus' return!!

Pray for peace----but until Jesus does usher in the 1000 year reign--- "keep your powder dry, boys!"

DavidsAngel · Sep 9, 2004

There is one thing .... just one thing.

Whenever va war was declared in the Old Testament times. It was God telling them to declare it.

It's true in the earlier parts of this nations history it was kill or be killed even in the 1900's. The fact remains that God is a man of peace, until all other ways have been exausted.

The Lord knows that some people have to be hit over the head with a bat before they realize that which they are doing is immoral and incorrect. Just like a parent to a child. Sometimes they need to be spanked.

Now i'm wondering if this thread was begun over the war's raging all over the world.

I'm going to start another thread about it

StraightAndNarrow · Sep 11, 2004

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
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Rev. 19:[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
[18] That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
[20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
[21] And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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Then....

A New Heaven

and

A New Earth....

and PEACE! </font>[/QUOTE]Of course I believe that this will happen but that does not mean that Christ promotes war rather than peace. He said that He came not to establish a worldly kingdom but rather a heavenly one. His second coming and the final battle will do just that, establish a heavenly kingdom. Man's wars, like for instance the one we started in Iraq do not establish a heavenly kingdom but rather further or establish worldly kingdoms. This passage of scripture does not justify war, especially unjust ones.

Michael111 · Oct 3, 2004

Jesus is the light of the world.

The Prince Of Peace.

LIGHT and PEACE

Michael111

Jim Ellis · Oct 17, 2004

War is a good thing, and is sent from God!
Without wars we would be over populated. Without wars we would have more sickness and disease.
God sent the Isrealites to war many times and they won most of the times. God does know what is best and diposing a evil ruler like Hussein from Iraq is a good thing. I don't like war, but it is a nessesary thing.

av1611jim · Oct 20, 2004

Daniel tells us the man of sin will conquer by PEACE.
Just an aside for ya'll to ponder.
In His service;
Jim

Rooster · Oct 21, 2004

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.
Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
Forward into battle see His banners go!

Refrain

Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus going on before.

At the sign of triumph Satan’s host doth flee;
On then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
Hell’s foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
Brothers lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.

Refrain

Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
Brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
We are not divided, all one body we,
One in hope and doctrine, one in charity.

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What the saints established that I hold for true.
What the saints believèd, that I believe too.
Long as earth endureth, men the faith will hold,
Kingdoms, nations, empires, in destruction rolled.

Refrain

Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
But the church of Jesus constant will remain.
Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
We have Christ’s own promise, and that cannot fail.

Refrain

Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
Blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
Glory, laud and honor unto Christ the King,
This through countless ages men and angels sing.

Refrain

StraightAndNarrow · Oct 21, 2004

Originally posted by Jim Ellis:
War is a good thing, and is sent from God!
Without wars we would be over populated. Without wars we would have more sickness and disease.
God sent the Isrealites to war many times and they won most of the times. God does know what is best and diposing a evil ruler like Hussein from Iraq is a good thing. I don't like war, but it is a nessesary thing.
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This is not Biblical. Satan is the Prince of Darkness and of war.

Rooster · Oct 21, 2004

What about the battle of Jericho, or Gidian, are you saying Gods hand wasn't in those wars? What about God being soviern, and are you saying he doesn't control every circumstance, and situation? what about the verse in the bible that says that God is a God of war:Exod 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
What about Arch-Angels?

DavidFWhite3 · Oct 22, 2004

Jesus said:

"Love your enemies and do good to those who hate you.."

"Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God."

"He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword."

"Never return evil for evil."
But he also said:

"Do not think I have come to bring peace, but a sword, and how I wish it had already come."

I wonder what he meant by that one.

Dave

here now · Oct 22, 2004

Peacemakers = George W. Bush, our troops,
everyone who supports their
effort to spread world PEACE

neighbors = the people that Saddam tortured,
mutilated, oppressed + the people
who Osamma Bin Laden killed(9/11)

War is necessary for peace:
The peace that we enjoy today is ours only because there were peacemakers who fought for it.

Rooster · Oct 23, 2004

Well said here now, that inspires me to say, did not the Peace that comes from Christ (our salvation) come at a price? (His death on the cross) peace comes with a cost to someone.

Jim Ellis · Oct 24, 2004

Do I have to remind all of you that we are at war everyday against Satan! When we worship the Lord our God, Creator of all, we are at warship! Get the coincedence? When we worship we are at war with the god of this world. Sorry people, war is nessesary, sometime soon we may see the war of all wars when Christ gomes back in His glory on a bright shining white horse and we the saints following suite on our beatiful horses. A Steven Curtis Chapman song comes to my mind.
"Saddle Up Your Horses"

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