Become one flesh

I just realized something

you cant read Larry

I never argued adultery wasnt a valid reason for divorce - but divorce does not in the eyes of God break that marriage bond - because guess what!

Adulterers were KILLED!!!

Death is the only thing that makes one flesh free to remarry

You cheating on your wife or vice versa does not do so rather it adds another person to the conglomerate.

Those pesky Ten Commandments they were given to Israel lets ignore them too!!!

We are grafted onto what is truly Israel - Romans 11:24


*sarcasm mode on*
Hey we can pick and choose verses to ignore because they were cultural or political!
*sarcasm mode off*

That is not true - every verse is applicable - useful and profitable for instruction and reproof for the modern Christian

 

Sularis,

You are out of control with your rhetoric. I can read very well. You have argued that divorce doesn't break the marriage bond. But it clearly does. What do you think divorce does?

Adulterers were not always killed in the OT. All you need to do is read it to know that.

I would not call the ten commandments "pesky." But they don't address this issue. Adultery is wrong. No one disputes that.

And every verse is applicable. Even the ones you don't like. The fact remains that Scripture gives clear teaching that there are cases where divorce and remarriage are possible and places where it is not.

 

I said before this is not about emotion, is is about attempting to understand your postion.

I am not convinced your list is conclusive, but I do not disagree with what you have expressed.

What if you have knowingly divorced and remarried for other than scriptural causes? Is there still forgiveness at the feet of Jesus? There are few sins, including divorce, that are truly innocent, or otherwise carried out in ignorance.

I am not lumping you together with anyone, but as the old saying goes, "if the shoe fits . . ." We are not talking about Pharisees in this thread, but we might discuss hypocritical positions, at least by the way they have been explained thus far. For your information, if you choose to use familiar terms in future responses, brother will do fine. (My wife might not understand you calling me "my dear" )

It is the getting it behind them portion I have been attempting to coax you to address. You have finally done that, but there is still a problem with your original position. You cannot say divorced couples who have remarried are still married to their former spouses. If you maintain that position, your position must also be that these remarried couples are openly living in adultry. Consequently, the couple can never repent of the adultry in their lives because your position says they are still in it. You cannot have it both ways.

Couples that divorce unscripturally and subsequently marry another person, can ask and find forgiveness and go on to live productive, worthwhile lives in the Lord's service. Christ's admonishment to the adultrous woman was to "depart and sin no more." Once that forgiveness for past transgressions is given, God remembers their sin no more and neither should anyone else. God will bless their marriage, bless their homes, and bless their labors for His cause. That couple can never wipe away the scar that divorce left on their lives, but divorce is just one of many ugly scars born on the bodies of believers. Isn't it wonderful that we have a Savior that covers those scars with His rightousness?

Once these individuals have remarried, they are under the same obligation to maintain their new marriage according to God's plan as if they had never been previously married.

There are many evil works of darkness plaguing this old world and divorce is just one of them. We should stand for truth and righteousness, but not without always remembering our fallibility.

 

What is the point? Are you saying that we should re-institute the death penalty for Adultery?

Sabbath breakers were also supposed to be killed.

Exodus 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

Should we also put Christians to death who violate the Sabbath?

HankD

 

"But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." Matt. 5:32

"And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery." Matt. 19:9

Can we move this discussion on and ask the question based on what Jesus said here, can a divorced man or women be commiting adultery by remarring?

Richard

 

Yes, they can be. But they are not necessarily so. The exception clause indicates that there are cases in which it is not adultery to remarry.

 

I guess I was trying to get it past the "exception clause" and look at the other side of this question. I know for a fact that there are a lot of people, including christians who have divorced for other reasons than adultery. As a church where are we to stand on this issue? I find we "white wash" the issue of divorce in all cases.

Richard

 

PastorLarry and others:

Bible Student is asking the same question I have been trying to unravel. Let's say that a divorce occurs for no acceptable scriptural grounds and each person remarries. According to scripture, adultry is committed by the remarriages. So, the question is, Is the adultry committed a one-time act or is it a continual act? If it is continual, as some have insinuated, then what constitutes repentance?

[ October 18, 2004, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: MTA ]

 

It is a one time act. I personally handle it this way. If the divorce has been repented of and there is fruit of repentance, then the person might be eligible for remarriage. All sin is forgivable and restoration is possible. That does not apply in all cases, but I do not make a hard and fast rule. If a couple comes into the church having remarried after divorce, they are still eligible for membership just like others are.

For instance, a young lady gets married about 18 and is married for about two months. They divorce. She later has a baby with another man with whom she is living. Then 5 years later both get saved and want to marry to obey God and raise their family in God's way. Are they eligible for marriage? Absolutely, without a doubt. Not only are they eligible, they should get married.

There are cases when a divorced person should not remarry.

 

Pastor Larry,

"There are cases when a divorced person should not remarry."

What are those cases?

Richard

 

I still think God gets blamed for putting a lot marriages together, that were actually put together by lust. He probably gets tired of being blamed for a lot marriages that were never inspired by him to start with.

 

When the sin involved has not been dealt with, repented of, and rectified as much as humanly possible.

 

That is not what he said. The exception was for fornication. You have a strange and very difficult reading of the exception clause.

IT is sad that you resort to this. I hold the marriage vows in very high esteem and take them very seriously. I have said nothing to lead you to the contrary. Don't twist my words.

I didn't dodge that. I answered it when you first brought it up. The law of MOses is the revelation of God. The words of the King of Tyre are something entirely different. This is seen simply by knowing Scripture.

And in the minds of Christ and Paul. I would be very careful making these kinds of statements. They clearly do not take into account the teaching of Scripture. Christ and Paul both gave instances for scriptural divorce. We can discuss whether or not remarriage is allowed. But there is absolutely no question that divorce was.

 

divorce is divorce - whether for good or bad reasons if someone is divorced for bad reasons and it is not broken then how does the good reason for the act break it?

The act is still the same - the results similar - but yet the marriage bond is somehow magically broken - BAH

Scripture clearly states that divorced stay divorced or reconcile or hope their partner bites it.

Larry you know me better then that - I havent even started on rhetoric

 

Divorce breaks the marriage bond no matter whether the reasons are "good" (adultery, desertion) or bad. Scripture does not clearly state that the divorced must reconcile or hope their partner bites it. That is an extremely unbiblical attitude to hope someone bites it. The Scriptures do plainly say that if a divorced person remarries, they have not sinned, even though they should strive to remain unmarried (1 Cor 7).

Sularis, it is things like "hope your partner bites it" and "I just realized something ... you cant read Larry" is over the top rhetoric.

 

Sorry, your response is contradictory to your earlier response. You have said two things once again. If the first marriage stands, a subsequent marriage constitutes adultry. Unless the couple repents they cannot be forgiven for the divorce and subsequent adultry, however there can be no turning away (repentance) if they continue in the adultrous relationship of their current marriage. (If you do not want to consider this adultry through remarriage a continuous state, fine. You can consider it a single act repeated over and over again.) Do you understand the paradox? You simply cannot have it both ways.

At some point, however uncomfortable it may be, you must accept that the marriage union is dissolved by divorce. Everyone agrees that divorce violates the institution of marriage established by God in the beginning. That is not an issue.

 

Ok, now lets take this a step futher. If a married couple in your church decided to get a divorce and it was not as a result of adultry, they were talked to by you and then with you and another wittness, would you bring them before the church for church displine when the divorce was done?

Richard