Is it really SIN to be angry with God ?

I fear that too many Christians are setting aside the true nature of repentance (Ps. 51:6) and opting for the 'turning' nature which is the conforming and renewing of our mind only.

The second or really as David states it in order is the first part (and so does Paul Romans 10:10)is that INWARD part being renewed. That is from the heart, that is in the seat of the will, the emotion, our feelings.

Too many fear the charismatic groups and are growing cold in both their public and private worship, unwilling to worship in Spirit (though remaining in truth, thus restricting themselves from the spirituality of Christianity in exchange for the rational intellectual reasoning of their mind.) This does not mean these are not really saved, but is inmho, speaking toward the love of many growing cold.

Anyway, the fact that you are a woman says volumes. We know women are to be silent in the church.

That the man is the head of the woman. That the woman is the weaker of the two.

At the same time, both scripture and history testify to the fact that when men do not heed to Christ as their head, oh well, that is another can of worms.

Bro. Dallas

 

Sorry, I am sleepy.

But, I didn't mean to sound as if I justified an abusive spouse.

It is the silence of a woman in the church that is another can of worms.

May God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

Told ya I was

God Bless,
Bro. Dallas

 

My above post, regarding repentance states my opinion that many focus on the change of mind and fear the change of heart, the seat of our emotion, or our will.

I point out I believe this is due to our fear of the charimatic groups who focus on the spiritual side of repentance.

Anyway if you are still confused, go read the divorce thread, and I'll try to straighten this out tomorrow sometime if I can.

Every pastor I have been discussing with repentance with continually focus me toward the changed mind, omitting, inmho, the renewed heart, or the emotional portion of that inward man that is reborn.

I don't see how we can separate the emotion from a statement that we are to worship in Spirit and in truth.

How do we worship in Spirit, I know this is under the leadership of the Spirit, where does he lead us or bear witness with us? In our minds only, or also in our spirits?

Bro. Dallas

 

Dear Brother Joseph,
This is a poor example. I cannot say that John was angry. However, as he was sitting in prison he was certainly having doubts concerning the one he declared the Lamb of God. This certainly was not of faith, thus, and maybe only inmho, this is an example of sin.

All I do know is that the more extreme the suffering, the more extreme the various emotions an individual will go through.

I believe the answer to the question of the post is that it is a sin to be angry with God. Still, I think it is a real emotional response of many who do experience things they cannot understand.

Brother Dallas </font>[/QUOTE]Bro. Dallas,

I agree that it is a common sin and that there is forgiveness for it through the grace of God.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Stating the truth is not an attack. It is true that we heard one side of the story from someone who seems desperate (IMO) to justify herself and her sin by blaming everyone around her except herself. What you say might be 100% true...but then again, I don't really know you and have not heard both sides of the story. How am I supposed to know?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Frog and RFW,

I would encourage you to not disregard what is being said when a brother is correcting blasphemous doctrine using scripture. You can do whatever you wish, but I do continue to pray for you that God will free you from your pride, arrogance, and your martyr complex.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Dear Joseph,
I do thank you for your prayers and I do need them as often as the Lord will burden your heart for me.

Bro. Dallas

 

This is an odd saying, isn't it?

May God bless us all with the truth so that if we are asked to go a mile with a brother or sister we shall go two.

Bro. Dallas

 

The real necessary thing to realize here has already been stated in another post. That fact is that whether we share our feelings with God or not, He is always aware of those feelings. Whether we acknowledge our anger, or our doubts, or our questioning, God knows the truth of them being real. Our suffering continues, inmho, as long as we deny that anger thinking we are hiding it from God.

If this makes me arrogant and prideful with a martyr's attitude, then who am I?

Bro. Dallas

 

RFW,

dear, I do not think they said it was WRONG to share your feelings! You are taking their words and extrapolating alot from them that seems to me to be unfair.

If a person is angry at God they are wrong....they NEED to get that wrong taken care of! An excellent way to do that is to examine WHY they feel that anger and work through it Biblically and with a Godly counsellor.

Let me point out, that if you do not realize it is wrong than you will have a much harder time getting it taken care of. Why the fear to admit that it is wrong? Its ok! We are ALL wrong ALOT of the time!

Just accept it, tell God, ask Him to explain to you, or to help you see it.....what if God gives you the answer He gave Job? Would you accept it? Basically God's answer to Job was that God's ways are above man's, God made us, God made the entire UNIVERSE, and who are we that we would ask an explanation of Him? Thats GOD'S answer to Job.

Now, God did not say that Job had sinned, because Job had not spoken AGAINST God. Through all his trials he had accepted that God was in control. If you remain willing to realize that God is in control, and that God actually is not required to give us an explanation (although He might decide to give us understanding) than you will find that your anger will dissipate and you have let HIM handle it, in the right way.

 

RFW,

If you are so convinced you are right, than what is the point of the debate?

Personally, I don't think you're really wrong....you just keep accusing people here of things like not having a very healthy relationship with our Heavenly Father, and so on.

Personally, when one of my kids is angry at me, we sit down and talk about it. Now, I do NOT allow my children to say mean and hateful things about the person they are angry at. There will be no yelling "I hate you" at others in this house. If it happens there will be a serious discussion of just what the cause of such anger could be, but ALSO there will be a discussion of how to PROPERLY express anger. I do not believe that "hate" should ever come out of your mouth in anger....it creates a barrier between the two people that could remain, if not forever, at least for a long time, and is very hard to overcome.
This does not mean I tell them to stuff their feelings away. No, Ive taught them, and still am teaching them, HOW to express their anger and upset in a calm manner without the need for mean words or name-calling.

THIS is my only point now. I DO get your point.....

However, you seem only to want to discuss this in order to "convince" people that you are right and they are all wrong.