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Ten Commandments Pre cross - Questions

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by BobRyan, Jan 20, 2007.

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  1. DHK

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    No one would deny that Jesus said or even taught those things. But is that why he came? Was that the purpose of his coming?
    Did he come preaching the Ten Commandments Yes or No?

    He came; not to be ministered unto but to minister and to give his live a ransom for many.
    He came, to seek and to save that which was lost.
    He came, preaching the gospel not the Ten Commandments.

    Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

    Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

    Matthew 11:4-5 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
    The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

    Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

    Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

    Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were UNTIL John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

    Is this so difficult to see?

     
  2. Diggin in da Word

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    In Matthew, Mark, and Luke Jesus showed how it was utmost importance to devote one's self to God, and tolove one's neighbor. The Ten Commandmennts were wrapped up in these two great commandments.

    If one truly loves the Lord God, one will not want to break the first four commandments. which are toward God... vertical.

    If one truly loves his neighbor, one will not want to break the last six commandments. which are toward man... horizontal.

    These laws were never abolished as DHK and others would have us to believe.

    John, throughout the first of his Epistles stressed the keeping of the Commandments time and again. If I am not mistaken, he was one of the disciples... the one called John the Beloved.

    Paul, while not a disciple, was an Apostle of Christ. Paul clearly taught that the keeping of the commandments was of God.
     
  3. Allan

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    That was kinda the point. No one can fulfill ANY of those laws without breaking them each and every day. This is why the Law CAN NOT justify ANYONE because NO ONE could live it BUT CHRIST. And He IS GOD. Perfection in flesh. The was given to REVEAL sin not prove our righteousness.
     
  4. rbell

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    "Keeping the commandments is of God" does not mean that the breaking of a commandment means one is lost.

    If one is a Christian, and breaks a commandment (sins)...their relationship with God is damaged, but their adoption is not negated.
     
  5. Diggin in da Word

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    Then you must believe that John was lying when he stated that one who did not keep the commandments did not even know Christ.
     
  6. rbell

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    yeah, you got me. I think he's putting us on.:rolleyes: :BangHead:

    First of all, is it even possible for you to avoid being rude in your posts? I offer a discussion, and you respond with this kind of rhetoric. It may not be your spiritual gift, but try discussing matters without being immature...it might grow on you.

    Secondly, (addressing your actual post, sans rudeness in return) if you'll put 1 John 2:4 in context with 1 John 1:8-10, you'll have a more complete view of what John is teaching here. Claims of absolute obedience to God's law negates the need for Christ, and according to 1 John, is deceptive.
     
  7. Allan

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    Nope!

    When the Law was trying to be placed on the Gentiles:
    Paul NEVER once gave any DIRECTION for NON-JEWS (saved Gentiles) to obey the Law. But was actaully about to get a two ton ear full because Paul was telling the Jews out amongst the Gentiles to ALSO set aside Moses (or the Law)

    At another point (earlier) when the Jews tried to make the saved Gentile believers become obedient to the Law What did the Counsil of Elders say:
    Again - No command to keep the commandments - NOPE not ONCE, even from Paul but it was Pauls wisdom FROM GOD to not bind them under the law.[/quote]
    Yep, sounds like He is says NOT to maintain under the Law.
     
  8. DHK

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    Why do you ignore the OP, which is the real question?
    Show me in Scripture where Jesus came preaching the Ten Commandments
    That has been the challenge ever since the very first post. Why have all of you avoided it? The answer is obvious. You can't demonstrate that Jesus ever preached the Ten Commandments. You have failed to meet the challenge. Admit it. He never came to preach the Ten Commandments, otherwise the Scripture would say that he did.
     
  9. Diggin in da Word

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    Jesus taught the disciples to keep the commandments, else we would not have John teaching the importance of keeping them.

    When He told them to 'observe and teach whatsoever things I have commanded you', He was indeed telling them to teach the commandments.

    If you say He did not teach the Disciples to keep the commandments, then you need to go back and read the nineteenth chapter of Matthew. The Disciples were present when He told the man to keep the commandments. They were indeed learning that same principle that their Master was saying must be observed.

    We know he was teaching them, for as soon as the man turned to leave, He then turned and spoke to the Disciples.
    The Disciples at that time explained that they had forsaken all to follow Christ, so great was their love for Him!
     
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    Your whole argument is a red herring. It has nothing to do with what I believe. That is irrelevant. It doesn't answer the OP.
    I will give you an example of how you have answered the OP

    If you don't believe that Jesus taught his disciples to pray you need to go back and read John 16:24:
    "Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name, ask and ye shall receive that your joy may be full."
    Neither have you considered the Lord's Prayer recorded in Mat.6; or the parable in Luke 18, where he begins that "men ought always to pray and not to faint."
    You don't believe that Christ came to teach prayer do you?

    That is the example of the kind of argument that you are giving me. Go back and read the OP.
    What was the purpose of Jesus coming?
    I challenge you: Find me any Scripture that says that Christ came to preach the Ten Commandments.
    I have given you dozens of Scripture where it says that Christ came to preach the gospel. but you have given nothing to the contrary.
     
  11. Brother Bob

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    You are wasting your breath Diggin, he will not either read your answers or will not listen. He has been told by several where Jesus preached the commandments and yet he will not listen. I haven't heard him dispute the answers telling him where to go and look.
     
  12. DHK

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    Let me refresh your memory:

    DHK said (in reference to sin and the law: (that Jesus said)
    "Every idle word that a man shall say he shall so give account of in the day of judgement.
    For by thy words thou shalt be justified and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."
    --That is a command, a law of Jesus. It is just as bad to break that law as it is to break one of the Ten, and you do it all the time on this board.

    Brother Bob responded that breaking the law of this command (Matt.12:36,37 was not as serious as The Ten Commandments.

    D28Guy was shocked to say the least, and replied: HUH! Where do you get that?
    "Whoso keeps the whole law and yet offends on one point he is gullty of breaking all the law."

    Then the exact response of Brother Bob is this:
    This is a false statement, Brother Bob! It is totally false. Why don't you admit it?
    I have posted Sceipture after Scripture.
    Christ came preaching the gospel. Nowhere, not one verse in the Bible does it state that Christ came preaching the Ten Commandments. He came preaching the gospel. If you can prove that he came preaching the Ten Commandments why in all these seemingly wasted pages haven't you been able to post one single verse to support your claim. It is false. He came preaching the gospel. Either admit your statement to be wrong or demonstrate your statement to be true. One or the other. But stop beating around the bush!!
     
  13. Brother Bob

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    1Jo 2:3


    And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.


    DHK;
    Where did John get this Gospel? Do you have any idea at all?

    Mat 19:18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

    DHK;
    Have you ever read Matt:?

    I quoted Jesus, are you saying He made a false statement???????
     
  14. Diggin in da Word

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    Which part of 'THOU SHALT NOT' do people not understand?
     
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    Jesus said, 'If you love me, keep my commandments'. Instead of arguing that we can break the commandments without fear of being denied entrance into the kingdom, why not just obey Him and show Him you love Him?

    The more you argue that we can break the commandments, the more it makes me wonder where your heart really is.

    The whole argument started over the fact that you want to believe that you can commit some abominable sin prior to death and God will just overlook it because at one time you made a profession of faith in Christ.

    Jesus said in Matthew 12 that 'out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaketh'. So, I ask again, where is your heart?

    Does your claim that you can sin freely bringing honor to the Lord? or to another lord?
     
  16. DHK

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    Bob, can you read?
    1John 2:3 is not in the gospels, not is it the words of Jesus, but rather the words of John. Again: Show me in the gospels where Jesus says that he came to preach the Ten Commandments.
    That is irrelevant. Where did Thomas or Barthelomew get their gospels? They were followers of Jesus too. You are avoiding the question. (as usual). Show me from the gospels where Jesus came preaching the Ten Commandments. He didn't. He came preaching the gospel. Speaking of the gospel of John, however, that is where we find the message of "the second birth," and many of the Scriptures that emphasize beleiving on Jesus in order to have eternal life. The gospel is emphasized and the law is de-emphasized. It places a lesser value on the law in the gospels. However many times it says that Christ came to preach the gospel. But you don't accept that.
    He also said: "Men ought always to pray and not to faint." What is your point?
    Fill in the blank:
    Jesus came preaching the ___________________

    By your post it seems that you have not.

    I have quoted Christ a number of times and you deny it to be true. You won't admit that you are in error. You have made an erroneous statement. Not once in the gospels did Jesus ever say that he came to preach the Ten Commandments. Why did you claim that he did? Please don't say that I have made a false statement. This whole thread started with a false statement that you made and refuse to admit.
     
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    Do you even read the posts before you put your foot in your mouth? :BangHead:
     
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    What is His Father's Will that we should pray for?

    God's will is that we honor His Word and keep His Commandments.

    Jesus still wants us to keep the commandments.
     
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    Diggin,
    I am amazed at your reading skills (or lack thereof)!!
    I am not asking you to show me what Jesus did not did not teach.

    Show me in the gospels where Jesus preached the Ten Commandments.

    If you can't do that then kindly bow out of the discussion.
    Jesus came to preach the gospel. That statement is made both by Christ himself and the gospel writers many times. For that purpose he came. It is indiisputable.

    Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

    Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

    Matthew 11:4-5 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
    The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

    Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

    Luke 8:1 And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

    Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were UNTIL John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.
     
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    Part of the gospel was 'keep the commandments'.

    Whether you want to accept it or not, DidW clearly showed that Christ showed the will of the Father is that man keep the commandments.

    Jesus clearly preached the law when He said He did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. Nowhere in that phrase did He say that the law was not to be adhered to.
     
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