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oh yes I want wiretaps!

Discussion in '2006 Archive' started by Helen, Jan 5, 2006.

  1. fromtheright

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    TH,

    Frankly, I don't know if it was the proper response or not, but what should RR have done, in response? We can all second guess what he might have done to avoid the bombing or minimize the casualties from such, but what should have been his response?
     
  2. Terry_Herrington

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    I was not addressing what Reagan should or should not have done. I was pointing out that so often the attacks while Bill Clinton was president are sited over and over, yet Reagan's lack of response in 1983 is ignored.
     
  3. Monergist

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    To measure the effectiveness of our President's illegal actions, we need to consider exactly how many terrorists atacks happened on our soil PRIOR to 9/11 as well.
     
  4. Scott J

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    I was not addressing what Reagan should or should not have done. I was pointing out that so often the attacks while Bill Clinton was president are sited over and over, yet Reagan's lack of response in 1983 is ignored. </font>[/QUOTE]While being a pretty big Reagan admirer... you have a good point. Neither party by this time had recognized the threat of radical Islam even after the Iran hostage debacle presided over by the great Democrat Jimmy Carter.

    Reagan must have began to get a sense of it though considering his bombing of Qaddafi.
     
  5. Scott J

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    That is an exceptionally good point.
     
  6. Terry_Herrington

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    Although Reagan was not my favorite president, I have a lot of respect for him and think he was a pretty good president.
     
  7. fromtheright

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    Thanks, Terry. It warms a right-winger's heart to hear a liberal (am I right?) say that.
     
  8. Helen

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    To measure the effectiveness of our President's illegal actions, we need to consider exactly how many terrorists atacks happened on our soil PRIOR to 9/11 as well. </font>[/QUOTE]Actually, that is NOT the point. The point has to do with the fact that terrorist attacks since 9/11 have occured a number of other places, and with increasing frequency.

    But not here. A number of them have been foiled, however. And probably far more than that in the lead post here. It's simply that the press won't report them. It might - oh help us! - be seen as supportive of Bush's strategies!

    Here is another point to think about. The left (policies)is in control of our relations with Iran. The right is in control of our relations with Iraq.

    Which one are you more nervous about in terms of our safety as a nation?
     
  9. Monergist

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    I'm more nervous about losing the rest of the small amount of liberty that hasn't been already taken away.

    I'm not nervous about dying at the hands of a terrorist. Our safety does not lie in the hands of our leaders; without God's protection all that they can do (legal or illegal) is in vain. "Unless the LORD watches over the city, the watchman stays awake in vain. " I trust a Sovereign God who, when we and our leaders do what is RIGHT (instead of what is exepedient) is always able to make our enemies to be at peace with us.
     
  10. Bro. Curtis

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    I'm more nervous about losing the rest of the small amount of liberty that hasn't been already taken away.

    Could you list the liberties that have been allready taken from you ? I'm interested to know if they've been taken from me, as well.
     
  11. eyeball

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    Well for starters, the right to a public trial, the right to have the crimes you are charged with made known to you, and the right to jury of your peers. All of these rights have been compromised.
     
  12. Rev. Lowery

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    I think wire taps are a good thing and Bush is right for wanting them, but dadgumit for the little minor inconvenience called the Constitution of The United States of America. Heaven forbid Bush has to follow those pesky rules and laws that govern our great Nation.
     
  13. Helen

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    For whom?
     
  14. guitarpreacher

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    It's amazing how quickly this has become old news. I just checked out ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, FoxNews, and The Washington Post, and only the WP had anything at all on the wiretaps, andit was buried pretty deep in the paper. Nobody else mentioned it at all. And you can bet if the POTUS did anything close to illegal, the mainstream press would still be all over it. The fact is, What Pres. Bush did is legal, the courts agree it's legal, prior presidents know it's legal because they all did the exact same thing, and everyone who understands the constitution knows it's legal.

    All this was ever about was photo and sound bite opportunities for the Dems, and the window of opportunity has closed. Pretty much you guys are the only ones still talking about it.
     
  15. guitarpreacher

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    and btw, you may still get to see someone lose their job or even go to jail over this. But it won't be anyone in the administration, it will be the staffer at the NSA that leaked the info to the press.
     
  16. Monergist

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    How many of your activities today have been affected by some sort of government regulation?

    It would be much easier to list our liberties which have not been affected than those that have.
     
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    None. I don't notice that my liberties are gone, because they aren't. But remember, I live in Montana [​IMG]

    So, since no laws were broken, and since every president since Lincoln has done something like this, I expect that this issue is dead, and I await the next pathetic attack on our President.
     
  19. Ed Edwards

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    I've seen many discussions of the wiretapping of NSA
    with and without court orders or court permision.
    Not just here, but elsewhere also, there seems to be a lask
    of the basic understanding of technology.

    A warrented wire tap is like filming a specific individual
    say in a game day crowd.
    The NSA monitoring is like standing in or near that game day
    crowd watching for problems - watching everybody,
    looking for the ones that are out of line.

    98% of the communication in the USofA (including internet
    traffic) goes from tower-to-tower
    on the earth or between a tower and a satellite. Most anybody
    can pick up these signals. Anybody ever here of
    'public airways'?
     
  20. Helen

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    Before this closes, I have just been reading Ann Coulter's column in Human Events, Jan. 9. Here are the first three paragraphs and part of one later paragraph from her full page column -- it should clarify just who was being tapped:

    It seems the bush Administration -- being a group of sane, informed adults -- has been secretly tapping Arab terrorists without warrants.

    During the CIA raids in Afghanistan in early 2002 that captured Abu Zubaydah and his associates, the government seized computers, cell phones and personal phone books. Soon after the raids, the National Security Agency began trying to listen to calls placed to the phone numbers found in al Qaeda Rolodexes.

    That was true even if you were "an American citizen" making the call from U.S. territory -- like convincted al Qaida associate Iyman Faris who, after being arrested, confessed to plotting to bring down the Brooklyn Bridge. If you think the government sould not be spying on people like Faris, I've got a bride in Brooklyn to sell you.

    ...It is Democrats such as Sen. Barbara Boxer (D. -Calif.) wo are leading the charge to have Bush impeached for spying on people with Osama's cell phone number. That's all you need to know about the Democrats to remember that they can't be trusted with national security.
     
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