Immigration Deal Would Grant Amnesty to Parents, Spouses and Children

You've been trying to convince me of your globalism theory which I still don't accept.

 

This I clearly understand and is all very very close to home for me as well.

 

What's your theory? Why do legislators operate in a fashion that is not in the best interests of the citizens they allegedly represent?

 

On these points, Ron Paul, is completely on target with what needs to be done.

 

As to "12" million: Many think at least double that. After the last amnisty deal I've read there were at least three times the estimates the government gave that showed up for the deal.

We will be very lucky if it is only 12!

My home town in Nebraska had maybe four spanish families when I lived there, and now there are more Spanish than whites and the white population hasn't changed much.

One note of interest you might chew on awhile. In that same town there are almost as many Spanish churches as anglo.

I don't think I've ever heard a discussion about Christian illegal aliens, but it is one that will come to light sooner or later.

 

Yep.

400,000 "amnesty candidates" every year...add to that the families (even if it's just immediate...which, of course, it won't be).

In 10 years, it wouldn't surprise me a bit to have 35-40 million illegals here.

ANother travesty on top of all the others: These folks are discussing a bill that isn't even done yet. The lawyers are still writing the 1,000+ pages. I doubt there's a single congressman who has read the complete bill.

With precious few exceptions (maybe two hands' worth?), Your congress does not care about you. Or me. They care only about maintaining power, and wresting it from the "other party."

 

My theory is that our Congress is in the vote buying business using our tax money to offer "free" care and bliss. It's a very profitable business these days. They're like drug dealers building a market by hooking more and more addicts. We've become a nation of addicts convinced that all problems must be and can be solved by the federal government. Illegal aliens are just another potential market to Congress. The more they can give them with our money the more votes they'll get in return. The saddest part is that those that stand to loose the most are relatively silent seemingly content to fund it all.

 

Alright, so you have a voting demographic of 300 million legal citizens (very roughly) and an illegal demographic of 12 million (also roughly) If it's all about vote getting, why not pander to the larger block?

 

Because 12 million is a critical mass of people.

40% of those that vote will vote Republican almost every time.
40% of those that vote will vote Democrat, almost every time.
THat leaves 20% to decide it...and that' s not 20% of the population, mind you, but 20% of those that vote.

So a few votes gained here and there in critical battleground states (Florida, anyone?) can make all the difference in the world.

 

Alright. If you have both parties sucking up to the criminals, who are the criminals going to vote for?

 

WHoever gives them the better "deal."

Either party would be glad to do it...there's a few more Republicans than Democrats who have managed to extricate their craniums from The Land of Perpetual Sunlessness. But not that many.

Plenty on both sides are buying votes and giving amnesty just as fast as they can.

Hopefully someone will filibuster that piece of trash they call legislation. I wonder if they can override the filibuster...

 

Yep.
When all is said and done, that's what it all boils down to: votes.
Politics.
Scrape every last bit of them votes from the bottom of the barrel, never mind that their hypocrisy is showing. Never mind that the neighbors hear the scraping sound and know they're hungry and starving.

 

Actually if memory serves me the Hispanic vote tilts heavily to the Demo. party - on this coast anyway.

 

Because many of the 300 million don't vote, are confused about what they're voting for, or are also on the take from the government. The fact is that more and more of us are dependent upon the federal government every day and expect "it" to take care of us.

 

That puts you in a tiny minority as far as paleo conservatives go my friend. I know you love this country and all it has stood for so you'll come around eventually. :smilewinkgrin:

 

McCain is out

If you ask me, this whole immigration deal marks the end of John McCain's run for President. Granted, it may die slowly, but he is alienating so many people this effectively brings it to an end.

And we thought the last debate was interesting? This forthcoming debate in early June will be outstanding, I think.

 

Cheer the demise of the party that just provides "lip service" and leave in place the party that has always been against "limited, constitutional governmen".

Makes sense.

 

Think about it, folks. Those legals and illegals coming from south of the border are Roman Catholics. Roman Catholics in those countries mix ancient aboriginal practices with their catholicism. Think about the number of Roman Catholic / cultic children that they will produce over the next 25 years.

Here's the mix: Roman Catholic/cultic groups, African-American non-Christian groups, Muslim groups, white supremist groups, Caucasian non-Christian groups, and other non-Christian groups, all wanting a piece of the American pie. The grey-haired old men and plastic-face women in Washington D.C. deciding how to slice it. How to slice it involves giving away money (healthcare, welfare, educationcare, socialcare) for votes. Get enough votes, you can pork barrel a few bills thru Congress.

Any one of these groups can sway an election, from local to national.

I won't live to see it, but how many of us want our children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren to see it? If you think Baghdad is a horrible place to live, think about what happens when Christians are in the minority, living in Taliban-like good-ole-USA.

Time to pray without ceasing for those who hear the Word of God to receive it.
:jesus:

 

Hopefully, a new new party, or one of the current minor parties, will arise and will actually try to win elections to enact the concepts of limited, constitutional government instead of seeking to win elections so that they can spend taxpayers' money on their socialist programs instead of the Democrats' socialist programs.

By the way, the Democrat Party was generally very good on the concepts of limited, constitutional government up through the presidency of Grover Cleveland. It was after Cleveland's presidency that the Democrat Party shifted toward supporting Big Government.