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Which category do you fit into in Prov. 27:5?

Prov. 27:5 "Better is open rebuke Than love that is concealed."

Seems like someone had words for Amos.

Are you an Amaziah or an Amos?

Amos 7:10-13 "Then Amaziah, the priest of Bethel, sent word to Jeroboam king of Israel, saying, "Amos has conspired against you in the midst of the house of Israel; the land is unable to endure all his words. "For thus Amos says, `Jeroboam will die by the sword and Israel will certainly go from its land into exile.' " Then Amaziah said to Amos, "Go, you seer, flee away to the land of Judah and there eat bread and there do your prophesying! "But no longer prophesy at Bethel, for it is a sanctuary of the king and a royal residence."

 

So all of those exposing the same evils are wrong? You can be assured I am not the only one saying these things.

You failed to answer the question, "Are you an Amaziah or an Amos?"

God hates evil? So if I hate evil I am wrong?

So you love and support the SBC when they are about suing each other? So if one speaks against such evil practices it would be wrong because it would be wrong to a stand on things which are anything contrary to scripture? Just let them sue each other and be like the world?

 

That is your opinion. Now give some facts to substantiate your point of view. Show me where I am wrong. What facts do you have about the SBC that clearly or maybe not so clearly show where I am wrong?

If you believe the first sentence then certainly you could provide proof according to the standard in the second sentence.

Why have you refused to answer such simple questions? They are directed toward you not anyone else.

Again I ask are you and Amos or an Amaziah?

If you are not able to judge others hearts then why have you sought to judge mine?

Have you investigated any on the problems I wrote about? If not then how could you even come close to suggesting my thinking is quite flawed.

Have you considered Prov. 18:17, "The first to plead his case seems right, until another comes and examines him."

 

There are solutions but it involves serious accountability. It starts at home with godly people unwilling to compromise. Organizations are only as good as the people who are in them and those who lead them If the police decided they did not want to arrest anyone then it is unlikely the laws would have much meaning. An organization will only be as healthy as they want to be accountable.

There were many pastors who called attention to the SBC of the ungodly practices of the BFA and they refused to listen and accepted the word of the thieves who were deceiving them. That is much like the fox guarding the hen house. They listened when the federal government investigated them and found fraud. Guess who was blamed? The pastor who called their attention to the problem and they refused to listen. When they did not listen it got reported. Then when what he said was found out to be true he was blamed for the mess. That is like blaming a security guard for downfall of Enron.


How does it make you feel to know that plaques with pictures of people who are big money givers hang on walls . How does it may you feel to know that the names of people are published who give lots of money. How does it also make you feel to know that a friend of mine who owns a billion dollar business will not give to any organization who would publish his name because of anything he gives. How does it make you feel to know that at one university I attended each week in their newspaper they had the weekly horoscope in it? When I talked with the president he told me he was not aware of it and then told me that he had no control over that. How would you like to send your son or daughter to an SBC school and find the weekly horoscope in their paper?

The local school district must make its book available to every taxpayer in the community it serves. However try and find out what each person makes in the SBC. Yet you can at the local school district. Why should there be any effort to hide something. In fact it should be quite the opposite.

Frankly I see little accountability financially and spiritually. To have a potential leader of a seminary examined by trustees with no theological degrees and possibly a few, to lead professors is much like Bill Gates' customers examining him. It is much like a home buyer qualifying a contractor to build a skyscraper. The people to qualify a contractor in lead in building a building would a group of experts in their field who are confident of his leadership. When someone is selected by one who has friendly, financial or family ties his credibility and expertise is seriously questioned.


Leaders should be accountable in their credit and finances as well as their giving. When I was in industry we never hired a manger without doing a complete credit report, moving violations report, and checking all references. Why should any leaders in the SBC be any less accountable. When a governmental agency wants to give someone a security clearance they probe a lot to find out the most they can about the person. Aren't spiritual matters much more important than the temporal matters of an industry or military? There are many companies recently which have found out the hard way by not hiring leaders of character.

Years ago I was in a church that ever potential deacon and elder was nominated by someone in the congregation using a piece of paper and dropping it in the offering plate. Then the person was contacted. If the person agreed to serve then the potential person was interviewed by the elders. Once there was not any objection by the elders then their name was brought before the congregation. Then some time elapsed to see if there was any objection to the person serving. If there was no objection then a time was set aside on a Sunday afternoon for there to be an open forum. The open forum had rules and a moderator. Anyone could come ans ask questions. I found it to be a great time and placed a lot of trust in them because of the scrutiny they went through. The first time I saw that I saw every reason to trust that person. Everyone of those men were quality men who had already been doing ministry.

Every leader in an organization should be given every reason for people to trust them. If leaders have nothing to hide then that kind of a process would give them great credibility. The political football in the SBC does nothing but to discredit good leaders and hide poor men.

 

Just because someone was saved through a particular person does not mean you follow them blindly. Many years ago beforer met my wife I dated a young lady who was saved while she was a student at BYU while erading her Bible. Does that mean she should support Mormons just because she was saved at BYU. Of course not. In fact she chose to leave the school and was shunned by her freinds and family for it.

One of my friends from seminary led many to Christ. He did a great job as a pastor and then something happened. He became much the opposite and very controlling. He had been SBC and so were his parents. His ministry went from good to terrible in just a few years.