Born Again = Saved ?

simple answer:

If we believe.

 

Simple. According to the Greek, "born again" also means "born from above." Water (rain) and spirit (wind) are both things that come "from above." Both water and spirit are referring to the same thing (above), and the point is that it is not physical birth, it is spiritual birth.

 

Yes, and those saved by Christ on the Cross will believe.

 

Or better yet, those that believe were saved by Christ on the Cross.

Also, the water and the Spirit come from a little higher than rain clouds, say like from the Lord. Or as previously posted:

BBob; It is not talking about the natural water but Spiritual water.
"whosoever is athrist" let him come and take of the water of life freely.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance

1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.



Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

Bro. Bob,

I don't want to put words in your mouth, so I'd like to know your opinion on these questions.

Did Christ die for everyone? If so, and they do not all choose to believe, isn't Christ's sacrifice in vain, being unable to save them from their own unbelief?

In any event, the point about being saved before regeneration is valid. If we (in my opinion every child of God in election, and in yours every person who believes) were saved by Christ on the cross, then we were saved before regeneration. Both are vital to being in eternal glory.

 

Bro. Bob:

Thank you. This is how I interpreted it.

 

Not my words but scripture:
1 Timothy 2:3-6 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

The atonement was made to the Father for all, but to receive salvation from that atonement, You must believe. The Bible is FULL of "you must believe".

He didn't make a requirement of men without making a way.

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance

1Jo 2:2And he is the propitiation (an atoning sacrifice) for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

 

From where can you see the Kingdom of God unless you're in it? This world? Not unless you are given the power that John had when he wrote Revelation. From Hell? The Bible says that a great chasm will separate Heaven and Hell. Therefore, seeing the kingdom is the same as entering it.

 

This is twice today that I have seen something that was almost unbelievable.

Seeing is the same as entering?

No wonder there is so much confusion within the Church today: Up is down, black is white, good is bad, works aren't works, seeing is entering.

God is not the author of confusion, in spite of the doctrines that you promote.

I have never seen anyone, even those who equate the Kingdom with being saved, try to say that "see" is the same thing as "enter".

Now, I have seen those who try to say that you can lose your salvation use these verses to "prove" that, but to simply ignore it?

No wonder you are willing to accept so many "contradictions" in Scripture.