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What is your Worldview?

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by LadyEagle, Jun 3, 2007.

  1. Rufus_1611

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    Yes, I took it and yes there is a cost associated to it.
     
  2. Filmproducer

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    Okay, thanks...

    Was the test similar to the test LE posted? I know I probably won't be buying it, because I find these tests to be highly subjective, even the "liberal" ones.

    Let me ask you, as well. Do you think it is possible to have a biblical worldview and not be a political conservative? Again, subtracting abortion from the mix.
     
  3. Rufus_1611

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    It's a lot more involved with many more questions but I expect you would find a similar result. The Nehemiah Institute has a more classical Biblical worldview bias.

    The short answer is no. The longer answer is I'll have to catch you tomorrow ;)
     
  4. Filmproducer

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    Okay, fair enough. I'll reserve judgment until after you post. I will say at this point I strongly disagree, but again I need to see where you are coming from.
     
  5. Rufus_1611

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    In order to answer this while keeping an eye on the thread topic, how 'bout we go through the civil gov't questions posed on the world view weekend quiz?


    "Individual freedoms would be advanced and protected under a one-world government under United Nations authority."​

    I strongly disagreed with this statement. The United Nations is socialist entity that is bent on telling the people of the world what to do and how to do it. I believe it is a key part of the one world government system that is being set-up to usher in the anti-christ. What say you? Will the UN advance and protect freedom or are they embarking on something else?
     
  6. Eric B

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    I haven't taken this one yeat, but I was just discussing on another board the two-dimensional political scale test at http://www.politicalcompass.org/ which Ken or someone posted here years ago. It measure not only right and left, but also "libertarian" and "authoritarian", creating a square matrix with four political types:
    Authoritarian Left (e.g. socialism, big govt. liberals)
    Authoritarian Right (e.g. Naziism, Fascism, neocons)
    Libertarian Left (e.g free-living anarchists)
    Libertarian Right (e.g. what we call "libertarianism", such as Ken leans to)

    One person said that a better one, which is much shorter is http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html. I find it better and more accurate as well, as it has a a "M" (maybe) choice, and a fifth type, Centrist, in the middle. (the matrix is aligned on its corners, like a diamond). I came out just left and below (big govt), of center. (Which many on the right intepret as being just as left and big govt. as anyone else, but I really am not as enthusistic about govt. and liberal ideals as most others, even though I'm criticize a lot of the rightist rhetoric).
     
  7. Filmproducer

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    First things first, regardless of your view of the UN, socialism is not anti-biblical. Secondly, I believe that many of the fears of the UN are unfounded and/or exaggerated. The UN is comprised of a conglomerate of sovereign nations. When a nation enters the UN they do not give up their sovereignty status. There are many issues that the UN does confront that single nations would not be able to effectively address. It also helps to have a consensus of belief or action by states in the globalized world. Like it or not a global economy calls for uniform standards throughout the world, especially in areas of international law like airspace or the law of the sea. Now, you may believe that the UN is the first step to usher in the anti-christ, but there is no real proof of that, especially considering we don't really know when the Lord will return. I'm sure there were people who thought the Roman Empire would usher in the anti-christ, or even nazi Germany. Remember back in the 80's when communism and the USSR were going to be the government of the anti-christ?

    Next...
     
  8. Filmproducer

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    I vaguely remember the test Ken posted awhile back. When I have a little bit more time I check it and the other one out.

    Did you take the worldview test LE posted? If so, what is your take on the questions and results?
     
  9. Rufus_1611

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    Well, I believe all the "isms" are opposed to the Bible and so does the survey authors I suspect. Having the government steal from some people against their will and redistribute to others is theft and opposed to scripture. Which brings us to the next question...

    Making the incomes of its citizens as equal as possible should be one of the top priorities of any legitimate government.​

    ...I strongly disagreed with this one as I don't believe in equality of outcome but the equality of opportunity and find this to be a very socialistic premise.
     
  10. Filmproducer

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    So you're opposed to capitalism as well, or is that the only ism not opposed to the Bible? Some clarification here would be nice. I also strongly disagreed with this tenant, as well, and I am certainly more liberal than you. For the record, socialism is not a system in which wealth is equally distributed among the population. Socialism is a system in which means and production are controlled by the people and the market is controlled by equity and fairness. It is the opposite of a free market, but that in no way equates equal wealth for all. Do you think the French have equal distribution of wealth? No, and they certainly have a neo-socialist system of government, as do many European states.

    I also find your analogy of "stealing from the people and redistributing it to other people" as unbiblical somewhat comical. Frankly, the government is NOT stealing from the people. It is collecting taxes, and according to my Bible that is perfectly acceptable. The fact that the tax money goes to social programs is also NOT anti-biblical. Nowhere in the Bible is there a mandate on how secular governments are to spend the tax money they collected. Governments are free to do whatever they want with the tax money they collect biblically speaking, and technically according to the US constitution they are pretty much free to do the same. So really what is the biblical argument you speak of?

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  11. Filmproducer

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    This test is probably structured better as far as results, but in no way can it be considered a comprehensive test of a political worldview. There are not enough questions and the questions are worded with the typical political bias. The other one, (political compass), is much better in my opinion.
     
  12. LadyEagle

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    Short answer, no. Long answer will have to be later cause I'm going to bed. And tomorrow is full, tomorrow night is church, Thursday is full, so it may be a few days....sorry.:tonofbricks:
     
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    The idea that someone cannot be liberal and hold a Biblical worldview is ridiculous.
     
  14. Eric B

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    Maybe, when I have a chance. But from what I'm seeing, it is sorely biased toward the Right; so I think I get the idea of it.

    Great answer to Rufus! :thumbs:
     
  15. LadyEagle

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    Why is that? Can you cite Scripture passages that embrace a liberal world view, other than giving to the poor (which is conservative in nature, anyway) and turning the other cheek (which has nothing to do with governments but pertains to individuals)?
     
  16. Rufus_1611

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    I was referring to forms of gov't such as communism and socialism, which are typically brought to pass by and promote atheism.
    That sounds so nice. Could you give me a couple model socialist nations? When I hear socialist, I think of folks like Mussolini and Hitler, who should I think of instead?

    The opposite of free is enslaved. For a man to be free he ought to be able to choose what business he would like to build and be able to keep the wealth he earns, not share it with others via the force of the state/community.


    The power to tax is the power to destroy. Just because the state takes away a citizen's wealth does not make it any less theft than if a common thug did. One is lawful plunder and the other is not.

    I recommend The Law by Frederic Bastiat for an excellent explanation of this concept.

    The Federal Government is not responsible for these programs according to the Constitution nor is it according to the Bible. Those that don't work don't eat according to the Bible and those that can't work and require charity, this is the domain of the church.

    "Under some circumstances Christians are called to disobey the laws of government."​

    I strongly agreed with the above.
     
  17. tragic_pizza

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    That's rich.

    You see, LE, you're stacking the deck. If Liberal policies which are denoted in Scripture are only applicable to the individual, then so are your Conservative views. All of them.

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    And? So??
     
  19. Baptist Believer

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    Then, by your logic, you should be rabidly in support of the complete separation of church and state* since, as you seem to say, the laws and the admonitions of God apply only to individuals and not societies. For that matter, you would also have no basis in which to argue something that happens in government is for or against God's ideals for our society since the scripture and callings only apply to indivduals.

    *Christians normally support institutional separation of church and state for different reasons, biblical ones, instead of this near-practical atheistic perspective that promotes the idea that religious faith is irrelevant.
     
  20. tragic_pizza

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    BB beat me to it.

    Speaking the truth to power is what prophets in the old and new testaments did. To say, well, I don;t like your politics so you can't say anything Biblical to power structures is, frankly, ignorant.
     
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