After the Rapture

HBSMN, are you still claiming to have a Greek New Testament that says "Ek megas thlipsis"?

 

Snitzelhoff, if I did not have it, I would not have known the phrase to post it.

 

==Please reference what Greek NT you are using. As has been pointed out the TR, which is behind the KJV, does have the definite article (translated "the") as does the other major greek text. So you still have a bit of a problem here. Also, as was pointed out by Michael, the word order you gave was all wrong. Greek and English do not line up word for word. Therefore you still need to show what Greek New Testament you were reading from so others can look at it.

==I am not talking about pre-tribulation rapture. I am saying that Rev. 7:14 contains the definite article and thus the passage is properly translated "the great tribulation". Whether the church is rapture before, during, or after this period is not the point I am arguing. I am simply saying that more than 144,000 Jews will be saved during the great tribulation as Rev. 7:9-17.

==Really? Prove it. Is Daniel 12 speaking of a third great tribulation? All of which are like nothing seen before or since?

==But they are saved during "the great tribulation", regardless of the rapture.

 

You're sure it wasn't an English New Testament with Strong's?

If you're being honest, and the New Testament in front of you is actually Greek, and not English, then you need to get an actual copy of the TR and throw away the one you've got. At least get one that employs basic Greek grammar.

 

His Blood Spoke My Name

Again, I don't want to drop this until this issue is cleared up.

Originally Posted by His Blood Spoke My Name
The Greek NT in front of me does not have the word 'the'.

==Please reference what Greek NT you are using. As has been pointed out the TR, which is behind the KJV, does have the definite article (translated "the") as does the other major greek text. So you still have a bit of a problem here. Also, as was pointed out by Michael, the Greek word order you gave was all wrong. Greek and English do not line up word for word. Therefore you still need to show what Greek New Testament you were reading from so others can look at it.

Still Waiting On A Reply

 

Bottom line in this whole argument is that HBSMN is wrong in sayint the TR does not have the word "the" in the Greek...

The Textus Receptus says:

εκ της θλιψεως της μεγαλης

And what do you know, its not even Westcott and Hort...who would have thunk it?

Now what is the authority? The TR or the KJV?

 

If one would go back and read my previous posts, I said I found the TR and the definite article.

But I also state a belief that the Word is saying 'the great tribulation' after the rapture of the Church will see any more saved than the 144,000 sealed Jews.


I still stand by that statement. End of Story.

 

Then you must ignore verse 9 of chapter 7 which says that this group that came out of the tribulation was too many to number. I think we can all count to 144,000.

 

the great tribulation that the innumerable multitude came out of was before the rapture, not after it.

 

I see that as your interpretation, I don't agree with it. It does not fit the context of the passage, but you make it fit your preconceived belief that only the 144,000 will be saved after the rapture. To convenient for you to pull this whole belief system out of the time frame of the text. You certainly are free to believe what you want, others including myself, don't agree.

 

His Blood Spoke My Name: // ... the great tribulation that the innumerable multitude came out of was before the rapture, not after it. ... /

Bro Tony: // I see that as your interpretation,
I don't agree with it. It does not fit the context
of the passage, but you make it fit
your preconceived belief that only the 144,000
will be saved after the rapture. ... //

Strangly I believe HBSMN's statement also.
I do not get there the same way HBSMN does.
I believe the 144,000 Jewish Evangelists (both
Jewish by birth and evangelists to the Jews)
are Messianic Jews who die during the
Church Age (mostly Gentiles). The
144K Jewish youth are rewarded at the
Judgement Seat of Christ with service in
THE Tribulation Period. The Tribulation Period
is about SAVING JEWS (AKA: Israeli)
not about saving gentiles.

I beleive at the midtribulation crises the
Antichrist will enter the rebuilt temple and
declare himself a god.
I believe that (if it happens in the next ten years
or so) there will be some 18 million Jews saved
that very day: when they trust Jesus as their
Messiah (Lord) instead of this Anti-messiah.

1 Peter 2:5-7 (KJV1611 Edition):
Ye also as liuely stones, are built vp a spirituall house,
an holy Priesthood to offer vp spirituall sacrifice,
acceptable to God by Iesus Christ.
6 Wherefore it is conteined in the Scripture,
Beholde, I lay in Sion a chiefe corner stone,
elect, precious, and he that beleeueth
on him, shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therfore which beleeue hee is precious;
but vnto them which be disobedient,
the stone which the builders disallowed,
the same is made the head of the corner,