Victory In Christ

Previously Dale-c said:

To which HBSMN responded:

I must ask HBSMN what is the purpose of referencing that particular passage from Matthew in the context of the current debate and specifically in response to what Dale-c said (quoted above)?

 

That will not happen. Wine is not allowed in my household. The Bible says to abstain, I will not even entertain the thought of drinking that which is forbidden.

 

Bible-boy,

My statement was meant to show that we must make sure that we will be approved of the Savior. It was said by another poster earlier that the Word says "Let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall."

 

Looked more like questioning dale's salvation to me...

 

Gasp. Again?

 

I don't expect that to happen. I said what if?
Do you believe you would not be saved or would lose it if you drank and got drunk?

 

I understand and have read all the previous posts. Likewise, I would point out that in order to become an approved member of the BB Dale-c had to provide a statement of faith and profess Christ as his Savior. Additionally, in the above debate exchange he was expressing his assurance of salvation and quoting from a Psalm to make his point. However, you responded to him with a reference to Matt. 7:22-23. Given the above facts (his profession of faith in Christ and his use of the Psalm) I fail to see why it was necessary to reference Matt. 7:22-23 unless the intent was to imply that Dale would one day find himself as one of those being rejected by the Lord.

This is just a reminder to all involved in the current debate: according to established BB policy you are not allowed to question the salvation of your fellow posters simply because you disagree over an issue.

It is becoming wearisome dealing with all the Moderator Alerts we have received regarding posts from both sides of the "alcohol war" here on the BB. I strongly advise several of you that have been most heavily involved in such debates to place one another on your ignore lists before you let your fingers type you into trouble with the BB Administrative Council.

 

One idea...have a "steel cage match:" tournament style...

KJVO vs. MV enthusaists
"Welchies" vs. "Wino's"

then have the winners meet.

or, we could be more Christlike in our posting:saint: raying:

 

I don't actually care much about the wine debate. I have many good friends on both sides.
It just amazes me to find someone question salvation by what you drink.

 

Putting another that disagrees with you on ignore does not address the problem. The false accusations are still in the rooms for people to see and be led astray by.

AV1611Jim put it wisely that if one reads a post that says Christ drank alcoholic wine and decides, 'if it is good enough for Jesus, it is good enough for me' and that person turns into a drunkard and goes to hell, who will stand accountable?

If we lead people astray, we are guilty.

 

Reading that God drank alcoholic wine in no way excuses anyone who reads it. This is not a church. You are not the pastor of the internet or even this site. You are not accountable for the abuses of others.
You are accountable for yourself and for yourself NOT to lie.

 

You can take my advice or leave it. I am just trying to help you (and others) not loose your BB membership because you all do not seem to be able to discuss/debate the issues without violating the BB Posting Rules (specifically rules 3 and 4 and the policy against questioning the salvation of your fellow posters just because you disagree over an issue). So if, or when, you receive a notice from a BB Administrator telling you that you have lost your posting privileges don't cry that you were not warned in advance.

 

Likewise.

Oh, btw...

Alcohol has led many to be drunkards because of commercials making it look good.

 

I don't doubt that.
They also use the lust of the eyes etc to sell alcoholic beverages, mostly beer.
I will certainly not discount the evil abuses that men have made with alcohol but I will not go any further than the Bible does on the subject.
Drunkards are that way because of their own hearts.
Bud Light commercials don't make me want to become a drunkard at all (or even drink their lousy beer)

I beg of you from one who used to believe as you: please reconsider that you might just be wrong.
I used to be rather arrogant myself on the issue.

 

Used to be?

 

Why should HBSMN admit that he might be wrong about abstinence? He would be lying.

Surely you are not encouraging HBSMN to go against the Word of God?

 

Endorsement? I can't imagine what you're thinking. As I said elsewhere, Jesus braided a whip and used it, and overturned tables at the temple. Hey everyone out there on the Internet! Did you hear that? Jesus braided a whip and used it, and He overturned tables at the temple!!!

You can blame the next act of violence on my "endorsement", okay?

 

I almost posted that same thing last night.

 

**Personal attack deleted**

Moderator note

Moderator removed the entire post---judgment seen as entire post required deletion to remove specific attack

Bro. David, Moderator