#2 The Pre-Tribulation Rapture (PRT)

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Heb 10:27-28 (KJV1611 Edition):
But a certaine fearefull looking for of iudgement,
and fiery indignation, which shall deuoure the aduersaries.
28 Hee that despised Moses Lawe,
died without mercy, vnder two or three witnesses.

Doesn't talk about a 1,000 year long Messanic Kingdom on earth either.
Doesn't give that you have to be baptized after you get saved.
Doesn't tell every think in every passage, which it looks like
some may expect.

Some ancient confessions said that Jesus
went to Hell while his body was in the grave - when
Jesus arose from the Dead - He was the victor over
death and hell. So when Jesus came from hell to
earth - that was the second part of the first coming of Jesus.
But folks who know that still want to say that the God who
created this universe and the ones nearby it
can only come a Second Time once?

I do know that "iudgement,
and fiery indignation, which shall deuoure the aduersaries"
is talking about the 'Tribulation Period' (AKA: Wrath of God).

 

I agee, BobRyan, but i bet I don't see the same gaps you see:

The gap between too simple & too complex.
I see two defintions of 'rapture' and three of 'resurrection'
and about a dozen definitions of 'day'. If I am clear;
I'm complex. If I am simple I'm misunderstood??

IMHO 'hour' = the appropriate time.

2. the Gap between people who have read my writings
and those who have only pasted & copied them.

3. the other gaps are left as an exercise for the student.

 

The passage Dan. 9:26-27 does speak of Messiah. It speaks
not of anything else you say. The two characters in Dan 9:26-27
are 'Messiah the Princ' (Jesus) and 'The Prince who Shall Come'
(Antichrist in other passages). Unfortunately, the error of your
logical assumption here equates Messiah with Anti-Messiah;
Jesus the Good (Christ) with pure evil (AntiChrist)

This is correct. However, it does speak of
'one seven' or 'one week' which is seven years.
I logically assume that the Tribulation Period is
the Seven Year long (70th week of Daniel) and
don't end up calling evil good in error here in Daniel 9:26-27.

There are 7 passages in Daniel & Revelation that that
speak of the two halfs of the 70th week of Daniel.

Even Messiah Jesus spake of what it says in Daniel 9:26-27.
Here is what Messiah Jesus said answering the Disciples
Question " ... and what shall be the signe of thy coming? ... "
(Matthew 24:3b, KJV1611 Edition)

Matthew 24:15-21 (KJV1611 Edition):
When yee therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, stand in the holy place,
(who so readeth, let him vnderstand.)
16 Then let them which be in Iudea, flee into the mountaines.
17 Let him which is on the house top,
not come downe, to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field,
returne backe to take his clothes.
19 And wòe vnto them that are with child,
and to them that giue sucke in those dayes.
20 But pray yee that your flight bee not
in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning
of the world to this time, no, nor euer shall be.

Note Jesus does not say:

// When yee therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the Prophet, STOOD UP BY ME
in the holy place, ... //

I think if Jesus (the Messiah) was going to commit the
abomination of desolation (AoD) that He would have
told us. Both 'adomination' and 'desolation' have
negative connotations of evil not postitive connotations
of good. I just can't see Messiah Jesus who is the very
essence of God committing an abomonination

Sorry 'Prince Messiah' and 'the Prince who will come'
who does the Abomination shall be two different people.
Making this wrong logical assumption means that nearly all
the logic following is also wrong (though some of could
accidentally be correct).

I know that some people will make bad assumptions like
this then deny them blaming God by using:

//That why, I stick with Early Church fathers' teachings,
and also, follow what the Bible saying than
what today's men's teaching Col. 2:8).//

Col 2:7-8 (KJV1611 Edition):
Rooted and built vp in him, and stablished in the faith,
as yee haue bene taught, abounding therein with thankesgiuing.
8 Beware lest any man spoile you through
Philosophie and vaine deceit, after the tradition
of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ:

I know you were taught the truth by your early mentors:
pretribulation rapture2 -- why didn't you stay
faithful?
The error logical assumption (false axiom) that Jesus
commits the AoD (abomination of Desolation) is one
of the vain deceit philosophies that lead to the error
of 'post-trib resurrection2 only' and a-mill.

 

Being you is good. If you were me - one of us would be redundant raying:

If I were you -- one of us would be redundant :saint:

:godisgood:

 

YATS
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Yet Another Topic Slain

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Amen, Brother Gerhard Ebersoehn -- NOT.
If that was true, one would have to give whole new
meanings to 'day', 'hour', 'and', 'first', 'last', 'one', and 'only.
Or one could just add a lot to what the Reformation folk
said and meant, what the Protestant Faith says and means,
what the Reformed Faith says and means - what the New
Testament Bible says and means.

Ed's writing on Dispestation & God's Economy:
The parts that are bolded (but not scripute)
relate to the discussion above.
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Dispensation in the NT, KJV1769 version:

1 Corinthians 9:17 (KJV1769):
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward:
but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel
is committed unto me.

Ephesians 1:10 (KJV1769):
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might
gather together in one all things in Christ, both
which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Ephesians 3:2 (KJV1769):
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
which is given me to you-ward:

Colossians 1:25 (KJV1769):
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation
of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

The Holy Spirit hasn't shown me a lot more than is
here. I do know the Greek word being translated here
as 'dispensation' is the Greek word from which we get
'economy'.

I do know this is what the economy of God is like:

Bible Prophetic times:
'hour' = the appropriate time
'day' = the appropriate time
or '1 day' = 1,000 years
'½-week' = 3½-years
'1 day' = 'week' = 7 years
'month' = the appropriate time
year = the appropriate time

Other 'economy of God facts':

the blind see
the dead live
the deaf hear
the lame leap like deer
the first is last
the last is first
Jesus Saves (totally!)
God Rules!!

Frequently the Bible discusses:

What is to be is discussed in either
present tense (is done) or past tense
(done already done).

Amen, Brother Gerhard Ebersoehn -- Preach it!