Three Kingdom's of God (Eschatology)

Three Kingdom's of God:

I shall prove my eschatology which is Futuristic (90% of Bible Prophecy is yet to be fulfilled in OUR FUTURE), pre-tribulation (Jesus comes back again before the Millennium Messianic Kingdom of the Hebrews/Jews/Israeli).

Here is what I'll prove:

The Lord has Three Kingdoms. I am a saved-by-Jesus Person so I'm in two of those Kingdoms.

Cautions:

1. My trailer/signature talks about using more than one Bible for understanding the harder Scriptures. The easiest Bible I can search is one of the KJV1769 family of Editions, the one that e-sword uses. I use that to search cause it has the reading I'm most familiar with, the Strong's family of helps (each Greek or Hebrew word is assigned a number called 'The Strong's Number') so I have original language help. Not to mention that the electronic search programs are way ahead of the manual concordances. Then I also have the Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition which I quote a lot (no Strong's numbers to confound searches). So i search one Bible, find the scripture(s), then quote the Geneva Bible which is written in early Modern English with U's instead of V's, vowel 'I' in stead of vowel 'J', enough silent 'e's to e-e-e-e-k anybody. Some think this is Ancient English

2. 90% of my pre-trib pre-mill futuristic 'Dispensation' is already in files in my computer and has been posted on the Baptist Board already. Some of these files were started in the early 1990s (the one that mentions the Republican 'Contract for American'). I rewrite them from time to time to clarifly what I mean (after interacting with others). This means that I'll be improving by writing upgrades to the files I do have - in this Topic.

3. It is a waste of my time for people to tell the the PC (politically correct) saying: "you are best doing if you are searching for the Truth". You need to start with no presuppositions and work from there. How many times do I have to start from scratch? I found the Truth, The Truth is Jesus and His Resurrection. So I don't think you will threaten my salvation. No use trying. I've been studying and the Holy Spirit has been adding to my understanding of my pre-trib rapture, pre-mill Second Advent, futurist Dispensation Theory. BTW, I'm qualified to teach Mathematical Logic (well in the 1970s I was) in the Public Schools of Oklahoma) and I tell you this Mathematical Logic fact: Any logical Theory Starts with undefined terms (aka: suppositions) and unprovable Statements (aka: suppositions). People who don't know that they have to start with undefined terms and unprovable statements to be Man's Mathematical Logical - those people can be dogmatic, yell & scream, jump the pew & yahoo! - but they won't be logical. BTW: Mankind has discovered a mathematical subset of God's Logic. Such Mathematical Logic was created by God and discovered by mankind. Don't waste your time telling me God's Logic isn't like Man's Logic - it isn't but that doesn't disprove: Mathematical Logic was created by God and discovered by mankind.

4. I have never started my pre-trib rapture, pre-mill Second Advent, futurist Dispensation Theory trying to prove that God has three Kingdoms. So if we find five Kingdoms of God, then that will be that.

5. I'll probably start with some Logical errors I've come across. We can prove things from The Bible (God's Holy Written Word) but we must use Mathematical Logic.

6. Six-word posts will probably make one look foolish here. Recall that there are several very good posters who like only have Thursday afternoon off Work (Working through College, night shift) They will be back in a few day & we shall try to go slow.
This Topic was started because of some things said over here (which is an interesting read in it's own right - just don't post there if you are NOT a Baptist).

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1318764&posted=1#post1318764

 

The question which cannot be answsered is posted another Topic.
Here is the answer, will it be mocked here?

// Can someone or anyone show one passage of Scripture where Jesus Christ definitively offered an earthly Messianic Kingdom to the Jews? //


Matthew 19:28 (HCSB = Christian Standard Bible, Holman, 2003):
Jesus said to them, "I assure you: In the Messianic Age, when the Son of Man sits on His glorious throne, you who have followed Me will also sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

'sits on His Glorious throne' - He who sits on the Throne rules the Kingdom
'the 12 tribes of Israel' - the citizens of the Kingdom
'In the Messianic Age' - humm, must be some kind of Messanic Kingdom
'the Jews' are one of 'the 12 Tribes of Israel'

While the throne that Jesus sits on exists in Heaven, there is no Biblical mention of the 12 disciples sitting on thrones in Heaven - maybe those thrones from which the 12 Disciples sit in judgement are on the Earth? (this probably can be shown elsewhere in the Bible, but it looks pretty clear here). Another proof: the earth has 'ages', Heaven does not have ages


If one wants the physical Earth boundaries of the Millennial Messianic Kingdom check Ezekiel 48.

 

Things the Lord just has one of:

Ephesians 4:1-7 (HCSB):

I, therefore, the prisoner in the Lord, urge you to walk worthy of the calling you have received,
2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, accepting one another in love,
3 diligently keeping the unity of the Spirit with the peace that binds us.
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope at your calling;
5 one Lord,
one faith,
one baptism,
6 one God and Father of all,
who is above all and through all and in all.
7 Now grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of the Messiah's gift.

Praise God that I was given grace using the Measure of the Gift of Messiah Jesus. I sure needed more than could be given my by my tiny little measure.

No mention here of one and only one Kingdom of God, Kingdom of the Lord, Kingdom of Messiah, etc. Thus there can be more than one Kingdom of God. (Note this does NOT prove there is more than one Kingdom of God, only allows there might be more than one Kingdom of God).

 

Covenant = a Testament from God to a group of humans
Dispensation = each different Testament

The three covenants:
The Old Covenant with Yisrael (documented in the Old Testament).
The New Covenant with Yisrael
The New Covenant with the Gentiles (Documented in the New Testament)

 

1. Logical error - you have no way of knowing what 'the common believers have always believed.

2. Your 'phase' is my 'different Kingdom'
So you are saying what I'm saying using different words.
I agree with you 100% cause it is what the Scripture says!

 

I. MESSANIC AGE
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I believe all translations have the same theological bent as I do!

G3824
παλιγγενεσία
paliggenesia
pal-ing-ghen-es-ee'-ah
From G3825 and G1078; (spiritual) rebirth (the state or the act), that is, (figuratively) spiritual renovation; specifically Messianic restoration: - regeneration.

II. the Regeneration
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I take it that the 'regeneration' is referring to the Millennial (Temporal) Messianic Kingdom Covenant Age

dispensation = Kingdom Covenant Age

 

The following essay is supposed to be true no matter what one's Eschatology might be. If it does not represent your viewpoint, feel free to so note in this topic. I got this essay to this by listening to other viewpoints than my own.

[ I am pre-trib (rapture before Tribulation Judgment Period), pre-Mill, and futurisic). The milage of others may vary. ]

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There are four possible Basic Approaches
to Prophecy. All of them are believed by some
Christians:

Preterism (past)
Historicism (now)
Futurism (future)
Idealism (timeless)

Preterism - the Tribulation Period has already taken place.

Historicism - the Tribulation Period started in
the 4th century (301-400AD) in events pertaining
to Constantine & his Christianization of the Roman Empire
and continues until the Second Coming.

Fururism - most prophetic events will take
place in the future especially: Tribulation Period,
Second Coming, & Millinnial Messanic
Kingdom.

Idealism - there is no specific timing for events,
the prophecies of the New Testament are to
be understood spiritually (they are still Literal & REAL)
not physically.

There are three basic relationships between the
Millennial Messanic Kingdom and the Second Coming
of Messiah Jesus:

a-mill
pre-mill
post-mill

a-mill - 'no mill' - the millennial Messanic Kingdom
is to be interpeted real, literal, and spiritual

pre-mill - the physical Second Coming of Messiah Jesus
will be before the physical Millennial Messanic Kingdom.

post-mill - mankind will set up a physical Millennial Messanic Kingdom
worthy of being Rules by Christ who will then have His Second Coming

Relations between the two bold lists above.

Preterism (past) can lead only to:
a-mill
post-mill
(it cannot lead to pre-mill because the Millennium
hasn't happened yet)

Historicism (now) can lead to all three x-mills
a-mill
pre-mill
post-mill

Futurism (future) and only be:
pre-mill
post-mill
(if you are a-mill then likely you are Idealistic or Peteristic)

Idealism (timeless) can only be:
a-mill - the millennial Kingdom is within (spiritual),
so is the second coming)
post-mill - the millennial Kingdom is within (spiritual),
but the second coming is physical
(pre-mill cannot be because it calls for a physical
Millennial Messanic Kingdeom and a physical Second
Coming)

 

// God is One; His Kingdom, is one. //

Amen, Brother Gerhard Ebersoehn -- Preach it! :thumbs:

God is One in three persons:
1. God the Father
2. God the Son (Messiah Jesus)
3. God the Holy Spirit

God's Kingdom is one in three Earthly phases:
GE: // 1) before Christ incarnated and in the flesh come from the dead;
2) after Christ incarnated and in the flesh come from the dead;
3) after Christ incarnated and in the flesh come from the dead shall have come again. //

Ed notes that he generally calls the phases:
1) Yisrael Kingdom Dispensation
2) Church Age Dispensation mostly gentile Elect Saints (AKA: Time of the Gentiles, Age of Grace)
3) Millennial Messianic Kingdom Age Dispensation

 

I really find it hard to believe you understand what I'm saying (I really haven't said even 10% of what I want to say)???

The gospel is the same in all three of the aforementioned Age/dispensation:

1) Yisrael Kingdom Dispensation
---- Saved by Jesus, those who believe that Messiah is coming

2) Church Age Dispensation mostly gentile Elect Saints (AKA: Time of the Gentiles, Age of Grace)
----- Saved by Jesus, those who believe Messiah Jesus has come

3) Millennial Messianic Kingdom Age Dispensation
---- Saved by Jesus, after making Jesus, the Messiah, their Lord

-- Salvation is the same in every Dispensation (NOT taught by most dispensation teachers)