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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Martin Marprelate, Nov 14, 2022.

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  1. AustinC

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    That person's rebellion, which began at conception due to the curse.
     
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    Of course it is.
    I have read scripture and see very clearly that the contradictions of free will teaching is not supported by God. I experienced the problems in such teaching and it nearly killed me. I will not return to that vomit.
     
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    6 hr warning.

    Thread will be closed no sooner than 10 pm EST
     
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    Matthew 13:10-23.
     
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    Wonderful verses. Do you have a point?
     
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    Do you understand God and the Sinai Covenant?
     
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    I realize that 37, under a free will view they can reject salvation for many reasons. But if they can only be saved by "Irresistible Grace" then it does not matter why they reject Christ as God has already condemned them anyway if they are not part of the so called "elect" before the foundation of the world. And that rejection, according to the determinism of calvinism, God has determined for them anyway. Their whole theology is based on the idea that God has determined all things that happen. Not that He knows what will happen but that He controls it so that it has to happen. Whether good or bad God has determined it to happen so the question is why are those that are determined to sin by God then judge by God for the sin they had no option but to commit.
     
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    What sort of love is that which saves no one, but leaves them to sink or swim? The Bible says that Christ will not lose even one of theose whom the Father has given Him to save.
    This is a ghastly caricature of the Doctrines of Grace. The Bible declares that God that God has stretched out His hands all day long to a disobedient and contrary people (Romans 10:21). Whaat part of 'There is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God' do you not understand. You keep insisting that 'all' means 'every single one;' why can you not understand that 'none' means 'not even one'? If God did not save some, then none would be saved.
    And I am still waiting for you to tell me how the Great Crowd of Revelation 7 is bigger under your philosophy than under Calvinism.
    And you are boring me to death with your pathetic little party piece that you tag onto every post. You are trusting more in your philosophy (I won't call it Arminian because it isn't) than you are in the Bible.
     
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    The interpretation/application of ALL, like other words, depends on context.

    Joel prophesies in Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon ALL flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your old men shall dream dreams and your young men shall see visions.

    Peter repeats it in Acts 2:17

    Was the spirit poured out on ALL flesh as the entire world or was it the body of Christ that being spoken of?

    The first four verses of Acts 2 tells us that the Spirit was poured out up the twelve.
    Acts 2:4 And they were ALL filled with the Holy Spirit and spake with other tongues..

    The current attempt to use ALL to mean everyone in the world all depends on context and falls short as to everyone in verse 4 as it is clear it was not poured out on "those mocking" in verse 13.

    This account also gives us a better of John 3:16 because we see in Joel 2:32 that "And it shall come to pass that WHOSOEVER shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Acts 2:8-11 tells us of the Jews FROM EVERY NATION UNDER HEAVEN heard the gospel in their own language. The WHOSOEVER in both John and Acts is referring to those who would were made alive who would be baptized and added to the church (Acts 2:47), where Gal 3:28 there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female, for ye are all one in Christ. In no way does it talk of an individual's ability to make that decision on their own.

    Again, I WILL pour out my spirit is the work of the hands of the Lord, not the ability of man to conjour the Spirit up.
     
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    Typical hogwash strawman arguments and "you don't understand" ideology thrown back as usual. Get a new line. It doesn't cut it here.
     
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    The New Covenant replaces it. And it never replaced the Abramhamic Covenant. You do understand that, do you not?
     
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    Givesvthree cases where the gospel is not truly received.
     
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    Yes, when Jesus died, the New Covenant (The Will of Jesus) was invoked and the Old Covenant came to an end. In the Bible verses you referenced, was Jesus speaking to Old Covenant (Sinia) people who were bound to that Covenant?
     
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    Martin if you do not understand what a midrash is just send me a PM and I will explain it to you also you do realize that Paul was speaking to the Jews in that context or perhaps you did not. I have yet seen any response from you that explains what 1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. means if not that Christ died for the whole world?

    Forgot to add this line just for you Martin, good that you reminded me. You are trusting more in your philosophy than you are in the Bible. There does that make you feel better.:Biggrin
     
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    Pretty sure Sliverhair thinks a midrash is a skin problem in the human midsection. :p
     
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