1 Timothy 3:16 question

"They" didn't. "They" followed the text they were using which was derived from what is widely believed among REAL BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIANS to be the best evidence for the original.

They were doing their best NOT to change what the original actually said. On this point, they simply disagree with the text used to translate the KJV.

Better in what way? If the underlying word was Theos then obviously... but quite apparently they in complete honesty don't think it was.

They must have since they used it hundreds of times... including Titus 2:13, John 1:18, and 2 Peter 1:1 where the NASB directly call Jesus God and the KJV is at best ambiguous.

Any time you have an uncontrollable urge of honesty, you can take a comparative look at the testimonies and beliefs of the NASB translators as opposed to the KJV translators.

Probably the most important difference you will find is that the NASB translators signed an affirmation of a statement of faith declaring that "salvation can only be secured by believing in and by faith accepting and receiving the Lord Jesus Christ as personal Sin–bearer, Lord and Savior."

The KJV translators on the other hand affirmed the 39 Articles of Religion which state:

They went on to affirm infant baptism as well.

It is note worthy that with one broad sweep you have impugned the character and spirituality of other Christians and spat upon a faithful version of God's Word. Satan is probably pleased with your work.

 

Here is whats wrong with the caps argument. The caps are convenient, but faith cometh by hearing and you cant hear the caps. Capital letters by your own arguments would have been added, and could only be the interpretation of a translator.

 

Though "hearing caps" is a little strange, you have finally said something I can agree with. Of course, we could both be wrong. Debate, in the spirit of edification, is a good thing.

 

Old Timer:He vs. God;

Perfect example of a watered down relationship to the creator of the universe.
Reducing God to He in a verse of scripture and saying it makes no difference.
It makes a difference to God.
I'm sure the publisher of the nasb has its name on the book.
How sad they felt the liberty to take God's name out.
Even more sad is the person who would justify and promote such action.

Sorry, Sir, but all you have are EXCUSES. I believe the posters who went before me chopped down your arguments, especially when they reminded you about the antecedents of the pronouns.

 

James Newman:In Luke 4:4, Christ tells Satan that man does not live by bread alone, but by every word of God. Satan cut that out of your so called 'modern version' so many years ago that you think that proves He never said it.

Pardon, Sir, but can you PROVE what you say is "cut out" hadn't been ADDED in older versions?


Now instead of esteeming God's word more than our necessary food, we have a church full of people praying for God to turn rocks into cheese.
...while trying to LIMIT GOD to their fave BV.

 

James Newman said:

You can go back to sleep Ransom, but other Christians who have not made their mind up need to realize that there is a cavalier attitude about the Word today that is not from the Holy Spirit.

I am more worried about you, and people like you, people who hate God's Word and say all manner of vile things about it and its translators just because you arrogantly presume that your preference for a certain Bible ought to be a law for everyone else. And you have the audacity to push your garbage in the name of "defending" God's Word. In reality, you spit on God's Word and treat it like garbage.

As Pascal said, none do evil so happily as those who do it out of religious conviction. For shame!

 

Please tell us the answer, we can't wait to hear this great wisdom.

Thank you. By your refusal to answer my challenge, you admit that "He" refers to God alone, and cannot possibly refer to anything or anyone else. Thereby admitting that this cavil against the Word of God is intentional slander by KJV-onlyists.

 

James Newman said:

The pronoun He is obviously pointing to Christ Jesus in verse 13.

Isn't it odd that you had to skip numerous references to God the Father in the verses in between, and find the "obvious" antecedent in a completely different paragraph?

All you do is demonstrate your irrational hatred of God's Word by such vain inventions.

 

James Newman:You can go back to sleep Ransom, but other Christians who have not made their mind up need to realize that there is a cavalier attitude about the Word today that is not from the Holy Spirit. The Lord is coming back, He does not delay His coming. We need to fear God and keep His commandments. We need to believe His word.

Yes...Believe His word, NOT the man-made doctrines about it. And NOWHERE in His word is there any support for the KJVO myth. This myth is clearly unScriptural, and therefore false.

 

You people need help. I can only pray that God will open more eyes before it's too late. Many Christians are going to stand before Him and he's going to ask them, 'why didn't you do what I told you to do?' and their answer will be 'Well I liked the NASB better where it said this' or 'But Lord, in the original greek...'[/i]

ACTUALLY...

There'll be many a KJVO spluttering to find an excuse when Jesus asks, "Why did you call certain versions of My word a XXXversion and other bad names?"

Think JESUS will buy any of their excuses? After all, where's any SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for any One-versionism?

 

Scripture makes the fact that OMISSION of God's word has been the the norm since Genesis 3,observe:
Gen 3(Satan,and Eve),Numbers 22:12,13(Balaam),and Luke 4:10(Satan).

Nuff said.

 

James Newman:Here is whats wrong with the caps argument. The caps are convenient, but faith cometh by hearing and you cant hear the caps.

Faith cometh by hearing...and hearing, from the WORD OF GOD. And where does the word of God come from for us? From where it's WRITTEN. And who wrote it for most of us? Various TRANSLATORS.


Capital letters by your own arguments would have been added, and could only be the interpretation of a translator.

Same as "Easter" was in Acts 12:4...a translator's whim...or booboo...

 

A_A:Scripture makes the fact that OMISSION of God's word has been the the norm since Genesis 3,observe:
Gen 3(Satan,and Eve),

Sorry, Sir, NO GO.

Satan wasn't questioning what God said; he was casting doubt upon the VERACITY of what God said.

Numbers 22:12,13(Balaam),

Once again, NO GO.

Balaam plainly wasn't quoting God's words whatsoever; he was stating God's MESSAGE, IN BALAAM'S OWN WORDS. If my son asks if he can go somewhere with his friend and I say, "No, because tomorrow is a school day and Adam, who's out of school, keeps you out too late", & he tells his friend, "Sorry, Adam, Dad says I can't go cuz I got school in the morning", he's relayed my MESSAGE w/o quoting my exact words...but it MEANS the same thing.


and Luke 4:10(Satan).

...And all ya hafta do to see JESUS doing the exact same thing is read LUKE 4:11! Care to tell JESUS He omitted His father's words?

Didja ever wonder why the oath in court says, "tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and NOTHING BUT the truth?? To make examples like THIS legally become a lie. A_A tells SOME of the truth here, with a large helping of balderdash added.


Nuff said.

Yerp! Before ya git in any deeper...

 

Ok,alot of "he's" appeared in the flesh(or body,depending on which Alexandrian washout your reading),but MY Bible says God was manifest in the FLESH.....And so does a lot of the KJB's forerunners,observe:

1.Luther's 1522:Gott ist offenberet im fleisch.

2.Tyndale's 1525:God was shewed in the fleshe.

3.Coverdale's 1535:God was shewed in the fleshe.

4.Matthew's 1537:God was shewed in the flesshe.

5.The Great Bible 1539:God was shewed in the flesshe.

6.Geneva Bible 1560:God is manifest in the flesh.

7.Bishop's 1568:God was shewed manifestly in the flesh.

8.AV 1611:God was manifest in the flesh.


9.Beza's Latin 1565:Et sine controversia magnum est pietatus mysterium:DEUM conspicuus factus est in carne.

 

Nope, that is part of the
double standards they practice.

For more about KJVO Double Standards see:
http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/4/1411.html?

Praise Iesus!

 

What a hypocritical pseudo-argument.

1. You fail to give us the address of
the scriputure you quote -- a common courtesy
missed. (Oops, sorry, i missed the name
of this thread)

2. You deceptionally note a noun is
missing from these Bibles when a perfectly good
pronoun exits in those Bibles.
Did you know pronouns refer to nouns?
My Bible has "God" instead of a pronoun.
If you had any integrity, you would
praise my Bible, the Holman Christian
Standard Bible.

1 Timothy 3:15-16 (HCSB):
But if I should be delayed, I have written
so that you will know how people ought to
act in God's household, which is the church
of the living God, the pillar and
foundation of the truth.
And without controversy great is
the mystery of godliness:
God was manifest in the flesh,
justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Praise Iesus!

 

Amen Anti alexandrian! Preach it!

 

Ditto on the amen!