Featured 10 of my favorite warning Scriptures to Christians vs. OSAS

Yes, the cults follow the very same method of prooftexting out of context for all their wonderful truths also. Your list is no better or different than theirs as a text taken out of context is nothing but a pretext without truth.

 

Ha ha. You are a funny Guy.

Eternal security. What a great God and savior we have!

from the scriptures...

He who has the son, has the life, and can NOTcome into judjment, for he has passed from death unto life. PRAISE GOD!

 

Let's see how your thinking is. If Paul taught your doctrine in Romans 4-8 then he would NOT anticipate this objection to his doctrine of justification by grace:

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? - Rom. 6:1

Nobody would anticipate such an objection if he taught your doctrine as your doctrine flaty denies justification by faith without works.

However, Paul had repeated stated that justification was by faith without works (Rom. 3:27-28; 4:5-6) and that where sin abouded grace did much more abound (Rom. 5:20).

However, if Paul taught our doctrine of justification by faith without works then that would be the natural objection anticipated.

Also, His answer in Romans 6-8 is the same response we would give. We would claim that justification by faith without works is accompanied by regeneration and both are visibly proclaimed in the ordinance of baptism together. Our justification is expressed in his death to sin signified by the buried body and regeneration is signified by the power of the Spirit in his resurrection to new life. They are distinct but inseparable. We would go on to say that those who have experienced the resurrection life should live like Christ but because we also have a fallen nature it requires us to mortify the deeds of the flesh by faith in yeilding to the power of the indwelling Spirit.

 

Congrats, you are an expert at taking verses out of context.

 

Evangel, this is a "debate" forum. It seems you do not want a debate. You are not engaging. Debate involves a back and forth of the points of view, positions are challenged and defended, questions are asked and the answers bring to light true biblical application.

If a doctrine cannot hold up to questioning and scrutiny then I would abandon it. If what you have come to believe about the scriptures is sound doctrine then you should be able to give good answers under cross examination of the evidence and application to real life scenarios.

All you seem to be doing here is preaching and pulpit pounding. If you have truly studied these doctrines out then you would have no problem answering when challenged. IMHO, it seems that it is you who has installed blinders and biases. I would like to see you do some debating, if your doctrine is correct then debating it will make it stronger, or, if it is incorrect it will be weakened. Could it be that the latter is what you are afraid of so you choose not to debate it????

Just saying what I am observing here, don't mean to sound harsh :love2:

 

That is a convincing list - no question about it.

But you are missing the "forgiveness revoked" examples of Ezek 18, Matt 18, and the "fear for you stand only by your faith" Romans 11 - and the "Fallen from Grace - separated from Christ" example of Gal 5:4.

 

Pure straw man response.

The not-so-subtle "detail" you are ignoring is that the Bible statements that flatly refute OSAS do not also claim that God does not know the future, does not know who will remain and persevere and who will not.

Even Peter admits that it is via the foreknowledge of God that these statements are made.

1 Peter 1
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


1 Peter 1
who are chosen 2according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.

The "Common" element in both models is that there are some who will persevere firm unto the end - just ask John MacArthur. He is well aware of this even though he is a 5 point Calvinist.

in Christ,

Bob

 

The Arminian can know that he IS SAVED today - with full assurance - but cannot know that 10 years from today he will still choose to "persevere firm unto the end".

By contrast - the 5 point Calvinist cannot even know that! Because he will insist in the future when it is shown that he fails to persevere 10 years from today - that his assurance claimed today - was totally false as well!!

in Christ,

Bob

 

'Gloriously saved'?

Have Scripture for that? Is this above any other 'salvation'?

Or does it mean since he agrees with you and your theology that his salvation was then 'glorious'?

 

Your scriptures have been shown to be jerked out of context. You have no reasonable responses. You are simply advertising your own ignorance.

 

Ok, let's take them one by one;

Romans5:1 "Therefore.....

Paul has previously in chapters 3 and 4 established God's method of justifying sinners, and has provided an Old Testament example of that method in Abraham. Paul says "therefore" which means he is about to demonstrate that not only are there benefits derived from justification at the moment of salvation, but there are blessings that accompany justification throughout the believer's life.

.....being justified by faith,

Here is Paul's conclusion, Christian's are "justified by faith". You will take note that Paul adds nothing to faith, zero, nada for our justification, it is only by faith, no works in whatever form you may want to view works. This is why the doctrine called "Faith Alone" is a perfect expression of the truths put forth throughout the Word of God. This very truth alone should cause you to reconsider any views you may be erroneously holding which would add any kind of human efforts to faith for justification before God. To do otherwise would be to labor against God which will be fruitless and pile up a multitude of wood, hay and stubble to be burned at the JSOC.

.....we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:"

So far, in just this first verse, we have established that justification before God is by faith through our Lord Jesus Christ. We are at peace with God, ONLY through faith. Let's continue...

Romans5:2 "By whom also we have access by faith.....

Again, we see faith standing alone, it is by faith, not by any human efforts.

.....into this grace wherein we stand,

Where do we stand? It is in Grace. How do we stand there? It is by faith. Do we see any works mentioned? No we do not. By Jesus Christ we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. Paul also notes this in Romans 11:20, where he states that we stand fast ONLY through faith (RSV)

.....and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Praise God!!!!!! Yes!! I rejoice in HOPE of the glory of God!! Why? Here is where some Christians may become confused. Of the 141 times this word occurs in the KJV, in all of it's forms, only 21 times does it occur as a verb (excluding the Psalms). Hope is not vague or un-defined, it is concrete. The glory of God, of which we fall short, is the perfect standard of Christ's righteousness in which we stand by faith. We can rejoice in the fact that whatever our short comings are today, one of the benefits of having been freely justified in Christ is the HOPE that one day we shall be like Him (Ro8:29; 1Jn3:2-3)

Romans5:3-5 "And not only [so], but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience; And patience, experience; and experience, hope: And hope maketh not ashamed;

Having already been justified by faith we have HOPE that cannot be humiliated. The HOPE we have is in the glory of God and even though it is tested through tribulation, it will be proved genuine.....

......because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

It is the Holy Spirit who pours into the believer's heart a sense of God's love for Him. Salvation is ALL of God! Praise Him and do not boast anything in yourselves.

So we see that when we make the effort to study this passage of scripture thoroughly, and use proper hermeneutics, allowing scripture to interpret scripture, we can have confidence in what we teach others. We do not have an "I hope so" faith, that would be quite frankly pathetic. We have a "know so hope", and this is why we give God the glory and have no confidence in the flesh.

Ok, it is your turn Evangel. Show me where I have misrepresented this passage of scripture and give your exposition on why this HOPE means a "hope I get saved" faith.

 

It sounds to me like you believe more in the Catholic idea of infused righteousness than the Biblical doctrine of imputed righteousness.

Tell, me, if salvation is something you believe can be lost, how do we keep our salvation? And could you please explain how performing these acts to keep our salvation does not amount to earning our salvation?

 

I'm not going to bang my head against the wall with you, but I can tell you that if you go to monergism.com and type "assurance" into the search browser, you'll see many, many sermons and articles that explain why you're full of it.