Featured 10 of my favorite warning Scriptures to Christians vs. OSAS

I'm sorry, but unless you're willing to show that you're sincere about having a conversation by answering my questions, I'm not really interested in answering yours.

To be honest, I believe you're just a troll like Annsi. My questions to you were rhetorical, to point out the logical inconsistencies in your posts.

 

Yes, I saw it. It was the one in which you quoted my question, but did not answer it.

 

Evangelist7, tell me, Why is it you could quote not one 'warning' that God gave to the hopeless, to the reprobate?

Hey?!

If you knew the Scriptures and its Truth you would have known it is because God cares about and for his elect, to see them through ... and none else or rather to see the rest - the reprobates - get their self-deserved reward in their damnation. That’s why you won’t find such clear warnings in the Scriptures for the lost and damned as those warnings God had given his children because He saved them and will not that they loose their salvation.

While God's 'warnings' for the reprobate are assurances of their final REWARD in hell, his 'warnings' to his elect are exercises for their improvement and perseverance in the Faith.

 

I thought you was interested in debating the scriptures you posted as proof text for your pov.

I took the scripture you posted and broke it down line by line proving "faith alone" and "hope" is in the "glory of God", Jesus Christ, not a hope I get saved hope.

Now it is your turn to break down the passage and prove it does NOT conclude justification is by faith, and prove that the hope the passage speaks of is a "hope I get saved" kind of hope.

It is appearing that you do not care to debate here on the debate board.

 

Amen! This is a start. Now go ahead and work through the other points and show where I am wrong and where you agree also. Then we cann move on to the next passage you posted concerning hope.

 

I most certainly do, you agreed with my statement. Maybe you don't realize that you had :smilewinkgrin:

Hope is nothing without a subject matter, it is meaningless unless directed towards a person, place or thing.

Why withdraw from this passage of scripture and dig your heals deeper into the sand? Let the Word of God form and adjust your opinions or preconceived ideas. Don't you want to know the truth and be sure you are not teaching in error?

The passage you presented for debate speaks of the sinner being justified by faith. This is a good place to begin to understand all those other passages you think are speaking of losing salvation.

So please review the passage and my exposition, and either concede the points or show us how it is saying something different than what I have seen and stated.

Come on brother! Surely you are not gong to go down on the first passage you put up for deliberation. That would be a good thing, for the Word of God and Truth, but I thought surely you had answers ready for such challenges. But I do pray that you will repent of this doctrine you hold and begin a journey of preaching the sure word of the Lord! :love2: We all need to be edified, for we are on the same team!!! :thumbsup:

 

And you can be sure some will 'discover' at least one ...

To quote you,
<God's precious Scriptures are of NO value to those who cannot (or will not) believe them!>

 

How will you persuade others to your pov of OSAS being false if you yourself are unsure of the passages you put forth as proof text?? We all need (commanded to 2Tim2:15) to study out the passages to be sure we are not misrepresenting God. This is serious, If we are misrepresenting God, and we are doing so continually, and we do so by our own laziness to seek out the truth, then are we not committing habitual sin, something you believe and teach will damn yourself to hell?

Is it wise to just throw out a bunch of scriptures to see if one sticks? Is that holding the Word of God with the fear of the LORD in high regards?

Now about the hope issue. I believe you do see how hope needs to have an object to which hope is directed towards otherwise it is meaningless. You cannot just tell someone you have hope and they say in what and you say just hope in hope. And in this case of Romans 5:1-5 I believe you do see this hope has nothing to do with a "hope I stay saved".

But more importantly, you introduced this Romans 5:1-5 passage and it speaks relevant to this issue you have concerning OSAS. Paul, through the Holy Spirit, concludes a person is justified by faith, as well as saying this numerously in many other passages. In Romans 11 he also says "you stand ONLY through faith" (RSV) .

Do you agree with what is written here, or do you have another interpretation for this passage? Please give us your answer to this "being justified by faith" Paul speaks of.

Here again is my exposition on this passage for your critiquing....

 

Starnge the the HS Baptism that gives you correct views on doctrine misleasd you here, as OSAS taught by Jesus and the Apostles!

 

In case anybody missed it...

Romans 8:29-30 says that God predestined those whom He foreknew to be conformed to the image of Christ. If we can lose our salvation and, thus, our conformity to the image of Christ, then does this mean that God's foreknowledge is wrong? That's open theism, which has historically been condemned as heresy by the Church.

How about Jude 24, which says that Christ is able to keep us from falling? If we can lose our salvation, does this mean that Christ is able to keep us from falling, but is merely unwilling? How is that consistent with the Biblical description of Christ?

What do you make of Colosians 3:1-4, which promises that if we have been save, we will appear with Christ in glory? It doesn't say "you might appear with Christ in glory, if you don't lose your salvation". It says "you will appear with Christ in glory". Done deal.

Philipians 1:6 promises us that if Christ has begun a good work in us, that He will finish it. How does He keep that promise if you believe you can lose your salvation?

How do you explain 1 Peter 1:23, which tells us that when we are born again, we are born of incorruptable seed? If we can lose our salvation, then this seed is corruptable and that promise is not true.

Like Colosians 3:1-4, 1 John 3:2 says that we are sons of God now and that when Christ appears, we will be like Him. There is no qualifier. There is no "...if we don't lose our salvation".

Titus 1:2 says that God has promised us eternal life and that He never breaks a promise.

In John 10:27-29, Jesus promises us that He has given us eternal life, that we will never perish, and that we are not only in His hands, but in the Father's hands. How is Jesus' promise in John 10:27-28 consistent with the idea that we can lose our salvation? Is Jesus really incompetent to keep those whom the Father has given Him?

John 5:24 says that if we are saved, we will not come into condemnation but will have eternal life? How can Jesus promise that we will not come into condemnation if He knows we can lose our salvation?

Romans 11:6 tells us that salvation is not by works. If we cannot be saved by works, then how can we lose our salvation by works?

John 14:16-17 tells us that when we are saved, the Holy Spirit indwells us forever. How can the Holy Spirit indwell in us forever if we lose our salvation? Since when does the Holy Spirit dwell in the unsaved?

Ephesians 1:13, 4:30 tells us that we are sealed unto the day of redemption. If we lose our salvation, then how can we still claim to be sealed?

1 Peter 1:4 says that our salvation is "imperishable, undefiled, and unfading". If our salvation is imperishable, how can we lose it? If our salvation is promised by God to be undefiled, how can we defile it?

If we could really lose our salvation, then Hebrews 6:4-6 says that if we ever sin after being saved, we'll be lost forever with no way back, because the Lord would have to be crucified all over again to retrieve us.

Incidentally, it only takes one sin to fall away, right? I mean, one sin before we're saved was enough to condemn us, so one sin after we're saved is enough to condemn us, right? Doesn't this make the New Covenant worse than the Old? Under the Old Covenant, the Israelites were condemned for their actions, but we'd be condemned for our thoughts.

For example, they couldn't murder. We couldn't even be angry. They couldn't commit adultery. We couldn't even have a lustful thought. If the OP is right, then we lose our salvation by doing less in following the law than the Israelites did!

Is this really the Good News of Jesus Christ? Are these the riches of His Grace, that we have to live in fear of sinning? Are we saved by grace only to be placed under the constraints of an even more severely administered law?

The OP exults in his supposed "victory" over OSAS, but I can't help but wonder if he's ever considered what eternal insecurity actually means in everyday life or the consequences it has on the Gospel.

 

Actually, I wasn't talking about "fearing to sin". I was asking a rhetorical question about the consequences of our sin in order to illustrate the absurdity of the denial of the Biblical doctrine of eternal security.

If you can't even get my posts right, how on Earth can we trust you to rightly divide the Word of God?

 

And this somehow excuses you from your own request?

And I DID! And now you want to run from Romans 5:1-5. Now why is this? Do you really want to know for sure you are handling the Word of God rightly? If you do, then there is nothing to be afraid of....